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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Dear microscopists, I'm sure this is quite a stupid question. I keep seeing laser power expressed as W/cm2 or kW/cm2 in super-resolution articles. I have a laser for which I know the power out of the coupling fiber (let's say 50 mW), that I use to illuminate the full field of a 100X, NA 1.49 objective (similar to a TIRF laser setup, but not inclined). How can I estimate the power density on the sample, assuming that there is no power loss in the objective? It looks like I need to know the field of view area, but I'm not sure what surface is actually illuminated : it is at least as large as the ocular field of view, but could it be larger? Thanks for your help, Christophe |
Craig Brideau |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** There will be quite a bit of power loss through the objective, depending on your magnification and numerical aperture. You really should measure the power after the objective, if possible. Craig On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Christophe Leterrier < [hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > ***** > > Dear microscopists, > > I'm sure this is quite a stupid question. I keep seeing laser power > expressed as W/cm2 or kW/cm2 in super-resolution articles. I have a laser > for which I know the power out of the coupling fiber (let's say 50 mW), > that I use to illuminate the full field of a 100X, NA 1.49 objective > (similar to a TIRF laser setup, but not inclined). How can I estimate the > power density on the sample, assuming that there is no power loss in the > objective? It looks like I need to know the field of view area, but I'm not > sure what surface is actually illuminated : it is at least as large as the > ocular field of view, but could it be larger? > > Thanks for your help, > > Christophe > |
Unruh, Jay |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** I agree about measuring the power after the objective. As far as illumination size is concerned: many high power experiments are done without full field illumination (lower NA going into the back aperture). In that case, you can see the illumination profile and measure it. If this is not possible, then I would use the objective manufacturer's field of view specifications. Alternatively, you could use a field diaphragm to crop the illumination until the edges are visible and then measure the power and illuminated area. That same power density should then apply to the illumination without the diaphragm. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Craig Brideau Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:19 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: How to calculate an estimate of power density for laser illumination ? ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** There will be quite a bit of power loss through the objective, depending on your magnification and numerical aperture. You really should measure the power after the objective, if possible. Craig On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Christophe Leterrier < [hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > ***** > > Dear microscopists, > > I'm sure this is quite a stupid question. I keep seeing laser power > expressed as W/cm2 or kW/cm2 in super-resolution articles. I have a > laser for which I know the power out of the coupling fiber (let's say > 50 mW), that I use to illuminate the full field of a 100X, NA 1.49 > objective (similar to a TIRF laser setup, but not inclined). How can I > estimate the power density on the sample, assuming that there is no > power loss in the objective? It looks like I need to know the field of > view area, but I'm not sure what surface is actually illuminated : it > is at least as large as the ocular field of view, but could it be larger? > > Thanks for your help, > > Christophe > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** It is imperative to include the objective lens in any power measurement (completely agree with others responding). The most accurate method is to use two similar objectives, both focused on the same area but from opposite sides, measuring the power at the back aperture of the second objective (infinite corrected objective make this much easier). If you want more info just shoot me an email. Cheers Rich Richard Cole Research Scientist V Director: Advanced Light Microscopy Core Unit Wadsworth Center Research Assistant Professor Dept. of Biomedical Sciences School of Public Health State University of New York P.O. Box 509 Albany N.Y. 12201-0509 518-474-7048 Phone 518-474-4430 Fax Email <mailto:[hidden email]> [hidden email] Website <http://www.wadsworth.org/cores/alm/index.htm> www.wadsworth.org/cores/alm/index.htm Browse the <http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=CONFOCALMICROSCOPY> CONFOCALMICROSCOPY online archives. <http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp> Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** The graphs at http://cammer.net/historical/aif/instructions/fluor-ref-slides/40X.htm from more than ten years ago show a quick comparison of the importance of measuring throughput at the specific wavelengths you are using. The graph only shows relative throughputs for the 40X objectives we had in the lab at the time, not measured mW, but makes the point. Now to measure power we put a light meter probe where the sample would be. With high NA objectives we measure through a glass slide or coverslip with oil. Regards, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Richard Cole Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:01 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: How to calculate an estimate of power density for laser illumination ? ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** It is imperative to include the objective lens in any power measurement (completely agree with others responding). The most accurate method is to use two similar objectives, both focused on the same area but from opposite sides, measuring the power at the back aperture of the second objective (infinite corrected objective make this much easier). If you want more info just shoot me an email. Cheers Rich Richard Cole Research Scientist V Director: Advanced Light Microscopy Core Unit Wadsworth Center Research Assistant Professor Dept. of Biomedical Sciences School of Public Health State University of New York P.O. Box 509 Albany N.Y. 12201-0509 518-474-7048 Phone 518-474-4430 Fax Email <mailto:[hidden email]> [hidden email] Website <http://www.wadsworth.org/cores/alm/index.htm> www.wadsworth.org/cores/alm/index.htm Browse the <http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=CONFOCALMICROSCOPY> CONFOCALMICROSCOPY online archives. <http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp> Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager |
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