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Liquid light guide life

We now have several  light sources that have liquid light guide connections to the microscope (Exfo, Sutter, Intensilight).  I have heard that the guide itself can be damaged by having the excitation source constantly pouring into it when not in use.  Thus it seems that putting a shutter in the source rather than at the end of the guide or in the microscope would be advantageous to save guide life.  My question is whether this problem is lore or is there some actual data on guide lifetime with and without a pre-guide shutter.  We are considering swapping our Nikon Intensilight for the RS-232 shuttered version if there is truth to the rumor.  Thanks- Dave
  
Dr. David Knecht    
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
Co-head Flow Cytometry and Confocal Microscopy Facility
U-3125
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200
860-486-4331 (fax)


Tao Tong Tao Tong
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Re: Liquid light guide life

With a shutter upstream of the liquid light guide definitely will benefit the life time of the light guide. But in general, a light guide has relatively long life time and cheap price tag, one must decide if it is worth it to invest on a shutter. 

Tao

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:00 PM, David Knecht <[hidden email]> wrote:
We now have several  light sources that have liquid light guide connections to the microscope (Exfo, Sutter, Intensilight).  I have heard that the guide itself can be damaged by having the excitation source constantly pouring into it when not in use.  Thus it seems that putting a shutter in the source rather than at the end of the guide or in the microscope would be advantageous to save guide life.  My question is whether this problem is lore or is there some actual data on guide lifetime with and without a pre-guide shutter.  We are considering swapping our Nikon Intensilight for the RS-232 shuttered version if there is truth to the rumor.  Thanks- Dave
  
Dr. David Knecht    
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
Co-head Flow Cytometry and Confocal Microscopy Facility
U-3125
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200
860-486-4331 (fax)





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Jim Beacher Jim Beacher
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Re: Liquid light guide life

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If you are considering changing light sources, it is worthwhile to consider an LED source.  This has almost indefinite lifetime and can be triggered to switch in microseconds making shutters redundant.
 
Regarding light-guide lifetime, we agree with Tao's comments below.  We can add that some of CoolLED's products use light-guides.  We have not seen any appreciable reduction in performance over many years.  We believe this is due to the fact that only the desired wavelengths are transmitted (no massive Hg spikes or unwanted UV) and illumination is only effected when required due to instant switching.  As such, the light-guide lasts for a long period and has the added benefit of generating a very homogeneous illumination over the FOV.
 
Further information and answers to specific questions are welcome off the Listserver @ www.coolled.com
 
JIM Beacher
CoolLED


From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tao Tong
Sent: 31 December 2009 01:03
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Subject: Re: Liquid light guide life

With a shutter upstream of the liquid light guide definitely will benefit the life time of the light guide. But in general, a light guide has relatively long life time and cheap price tag, one must decide if it is worth it to invest on a shutter. 

Tao

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:00 PM, David Knecht <[hidden email]> wrote:
We now have several  light sources that have liquid light guide connections to the microscope (Exfo, Sutter, Intensilight).  I have heard that the guide itself can be damaged by having the excitation source constantly pouring into it when not in use.  Thus it seems that putting a shutter in the source rather than at the end of the guide or in the microscope would be advantageous to save guide life.  My question is whether this problem is lore or is there some actual data on guide lifetime with and without a pre-guide shutter.  We are considering swapping our Nikon Intensilight for the RS-232 shuttered version if there is truth to the rumor.  Thanks- Dave
  
Dr. David Knecht    
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
Co-head Flow Cytometry and Confocal Microscopy Facility
U-3125
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200
860-486-4331 (fax)





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Csúcs  Gábor Csúcs Gábor
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Re: Liquid light guide life

In reply to this post by Tao Tong
I need to somewhat contradict to the remarks of Tao. Light-guides (we
have quite some experience with the Sutter ones) are expensive (above
1000 USD) and depending on lamp usage have a life span of approx. 2
years. Of course afterwards you can still use them, but their
transmission efficiency will be 10-30% of the original one. I'd
certainly suggest to put the shutter before the light guide. This helps
anyway to reduce the vibrations of the microscope stage itself.

Cheers   Gabor
Donnelly, Tom Donnelly, Tom
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Re: Liquid light guide life ANOTHER COMMERCIAL COMMENT

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We chose to use a fused silica fiber optic cable instead of a liquid light guide for several technical issues, not the least of which is the durability of the fused silica. There are DeltaVision systems  using the same fiber optic cable that was installed over ten years ago.  All the older DeltaVision systems utilized a HBO102W lamp which delivers large amounts of UV rich light to the cable.
 
When we recently moved to our high intensity Solid State Illumination system we chose to stay with fused silica cables due to, among other technical issues,  their proved durability.  We believe the fused silica Fiber Optic cable will handle high intensities our SSI illuminator without degrading.  
 
I would think that liquid life guide life spans would be dictated by the wavelength, intensity, and duration of the light delivered through it.
 
Regards,
 
Tom Donnelly
Applied Precision, Inc


From: Jim Beacher [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Liquid light guide life

Commercial Interest
 
If you are considering changing light sources, it is worthwhile to consider an LED source.  This has almost indefinite lifetime and can be triggered to switch in microseconds making shutters redundant.
 
Regarding light-guide lifetime, we agree with Tao's comments below.  We can add that some of CoolLED's products use light-guides.  We have not seen any appreciable reduction in performance over many years.  We believe this is due to the fact that only the desired wavelengths are transmitted (no massive Hg spikes or unwanted UV) and illumination is only effected when required due to instant switching.  As such, the light-guide lasts for a long period and has the added benefit of generating a very homogeneous illumination over the FOV.
 
Further information and answers to specific questions are welcome off the Listserver @ www.coolled.com
 
JIM Beacher
CoolLED


From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tao Tong
Sent: 31 December 2009 01:03
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Liquid light guide life

With a shutter upstream of the liquid light guide definitely will benefit the life time of the light guide. But in general, a light guide has relatively long life time and cheap price tag, one must decide if it is worth it to invest on a shutter. 

Tao

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:00 PM, David Knecht <[hidden email]> wrote:
We now have several  light sources that have liquid light guide connections to the microscope (Exfo, Sutter, Intensilight).  I have heard that the guide itself can be damaged by having the excitation source constantly pouring into it when not in use.  Thus it seems that putting a shutter in the source rather than at the end of the guide or in the microscope would be advantageous to save guide life.  My question is whether this problem is lore or is there some actual data on guide lifetime with and without a pre-guide shutter.  We are considering swapping our Nikon Intensilight for the RS-232 shuttered version if there is truth to the rumor.  Thanks- Dave
  
Dr. David Knecht    
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
Co-head Flow Cytometry and Confocal Microscopy Facility
U-3125
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
University of Connecticut
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200
860-486-4331 (fax)





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