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Dear listers,

I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample scanning)
in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
link for some images:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0

As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I am
using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I was
wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change as
field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be wrong?

Thanks a lot,
Lu
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Hi Lu,

Are the images a single plane or projected images?

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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Dear listers,
>
> I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample scanning)
> in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
> frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
> along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
> link for some images:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
>
> As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
> splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I am
> using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I was
> wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
> scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change as
> field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be wrong?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Lu
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Hi Eric,

The images are all taken at the fixed sample plane. The sample is a simple
grating pattern. I took these images at different scanning speed.

Lu

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eric Marino <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> Hi Lu,
>
> Are the images a single plane or projected images?
>
> Eric Marino
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> > On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
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> > Dear listers,
> >
> > I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample
> scanning)
> > in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
> > frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
> > along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
> > link for some images:
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
> >
> > As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
> > splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I
> am
> > using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I
> was
> > wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
> > scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change
> as
> > field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be
> wrong?
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> > Lu
>
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Have you looked at the ramp voltage on an oscilloscope to check for noise? What camera are you using (sCMOS, CCD)? are you decreasing the exposure when you increase the scanning frequency?


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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi Eric,
>
> The images are all taken at the fixed sample plane. The sample is a simple
> grating pattern. I took these images at different scanning speed.
>
> Lu
>
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> Nanostructured Fibers and Nonlinear Optics Laboratory
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Boston University
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> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eric Marino <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Hi Lu,
>>
>> Are the images a single plane or projected images?
>>
>> Eric Marino
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>> Dear listers,
>>>
>>> I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample
>> scanning)
>>> in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
>>> frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
>>> along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
>>> link for some images:
>>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
>>>
>>> As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
>>> splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I
>> am
>>> using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I
>> was
>>> wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
>>> scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change
>> as
>>> field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be
>> wrong?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Lu
>>
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I can’t see the image but I wonder about aliasing effects between ramp and sensor sampling rate?

HTH Mark

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> Have you looked at the ramp voltage on an oscilloscope to check for noise? What camera are you using (sCMOS, CCD)? are you decreasing the exposure when you increase the scanning frequency?
>
>
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>
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>
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
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>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> The images are all taken at the fixed sample plane. The sample is a simple
>> grating pattern. I took these images at different scanning speed.
>>
>> Lu
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------------
>> Lu Yan
>> Nanostructured Fibers and Nonlinear Optics Laboratory
>> Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> Boston University
>> Rm. 505, 8 Saint Mary's St., Boston, MA 02215
>> +1.617.353.0286 (office) | 617.358.5917 (lab)
>> [hidden email]
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eric Marino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> *****
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>>> *****
>>>
>>> Hi Lu,
>>>
>>> Are the images a single plane or projected images?
>>>
>>> Eric Marino
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *****
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>>>>
>>>> Dear listers,
>>>>
>>>> I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample
>>> scanning)
>>>> in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
>>>> frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
>>>> along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
>>>> link for some images:
>>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
>>>>
>>>> As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
>>>> splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I
>>> am
>>>> using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I
>>> was
>>>> wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
>>>> scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change
>>> as
>>>> field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be
>>> wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> Lu
>>>

Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ FISHR
Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
School of Physiology &  Pharmacology
Faculty of Biomedical Sciences
University of Bristol
Bristol
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Hi Eric,

The ramp voltage looked fine on oscilloscope. I was using a photon counting
module for the detection.

Lu

On 2016年3月17日 周四 at 下午1:18 Eric Marino <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
> Have you looked at the ramp voltage on an oscilloscope to check for noise?
> What camera are you using (sCMOS, CCD)? are you decreasing the exposure
> when you increase the scanning frequency?
>
>
> Eric Marino
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
> > On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > *****
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> > *****
> >
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > The images are all taken at the fixed sample plane. The sample is a
> simple
> > grating pattern. I took these images at different scanning speed.
> >
> > Lu
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------------
> > Lu Yan
> > Nanostructured Fibers and Nonlinear Optics Laboratory
> > Electrical and Computer Engineering
> > Boston University
> > Rm. 505, 8 Saint Mary's St., Boston, MA 02215
> > +1.617.353.0286 (office) | 617.358.5917 (lab)
> > [hidden email]
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eric Marino <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> *****
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> >> *****
> >>
> >> Hi Lu,
> >>
> >> Are the images a single plane or projected images?
> >>
> >> Eric Marino
> >> [hidden email]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> *****
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> >>> *****
> >>>
> >>> Dear listers,
> >>>
> >>> I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample
> >> scanning)
> >>> in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
> >>> frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
> >>> along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
> >>> link for some images:
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
> >>>
> >>> As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
> >>> splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I
> >> am
> >>> using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I
> >> was
> >>> wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
> >>> scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change
> >> as
> >>> field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be
> >> wrong?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>> Lu
> >>
>
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Hi Mark,

My detector sampling rate and the pixel clock are sync'ed via the an AO
task and a Counter task in the labview program. So would you separately
control the sampling rates for the ramp and the sensor?

Thanks,
Lu
On 2016年3月17日 周四 at 下午3:37 Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> The ramp voltage looked fine on oscilloscope. I was using a photon
> counting module for the detection.
>
> Lu
>
> On 2016年3月17日 周四 at 下午1:18 Eric Marino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
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>> *****
>>
>> Have you looked at the ramp voltage on an oscilloscope to check for
>> noise? What camera are you using (sCMOS, CCD)? are you decreasing the
>> exposure when you increase the scanning frequency?
>>
>>
>> Eric Marino
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > *****
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>> > *****
>> >
>> > Hi Eric,
>> >
>> > The images are all taken at the fixed sample plane. The sample is a
>> simple
>> > grating pattern. I took these images at different scanning speed.
>> >
>> > Lu
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > -------------
>> > Lu Yan
>> > Nanostructured Fibers and Nonlinear Optics Laboratory
>> > Electrical and Computer Engineering
>> > Boston University
>> > Rm. 505, 8 Saint Mary's St., Boston, MA 02215
>> > +1.617.353.0286 (office) | 617.358.5917 (lab)
>> > [hidden email]
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>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eric Marino <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> *****
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>> >>
>> >> Hi Lu,
>> >>
>> >> Are the images a single plane or projected images?
>> >>
>> >> Eric Marino
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> *****
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>> >> posting.
>> >>> *****
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear listers,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample
>> >> scanning)
>> >>> in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
>> >>> frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some
>> distortions
>> >>> along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See
>> this
>> >>> link for some images:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
>> >>>
>> >>> As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
>> >>> splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad.
>> I
>> >> am
>> >>> using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I
>> >> was
>> >>> wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a
>> new
>> >>> scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not
>> change
>> >> as
>> >>> field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be
>> >> wrong?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks a lot,
>> >>> Lu
>> >>
>>
>
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I might agree with Mark, it could be a sampling issue.

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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi Eric,
>
> The ramp voltage looked fine on oscilloscope. I was using a photon counting
> module for the detection.
>
> Lu
>
> On 2016年3月17日 周四 at 下午1:18 Eric Marino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> *****
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>> *****
>>
>> Have you looked at the ramp voltage on an oscilloscope to check for noise?
>> What camera are you using (sCMOS, CCD)? are you decreasing the exposure
>> when you increase the scanning frequency?
>>
>>
>> Eric Marino
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> *****
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>>> *****
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> The images are all taken at the fixed sample plane. The sample is a
>> simple
>>> grating pattern. I took these images at different scanning speed.
>>>
>>> Lu
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -------------
>>> Lu Yan
>>> Nanostructured Fibers and Nonlinear Optics Laboratory
>>> Electrical and Computer Engineering
>>> Boston University
>>> Rm. 505, 8 Saint Mary's St., Boston, MA 02215
>>> +1.617.353.0286 (office) | 617.358.5917 (lab)
>>> [hidden email]
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -------------
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eric Marino <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *****
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>>>>
>>>> Hi Lu,
>>>>
>>>> Are the images a single plane or projected images?
>>>>
>>>> Eric Marino
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Yan, Lu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *****
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>>>>>
>>>>> Dear listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am encountering a problem with my piezo scanning stage (sample
>>>> scanning)
>>>>> in the microscopy setup. I found that at some discrete line scanning
>>>>> frequencies (lines/s), the grating sample I imaged got some distortions
>>>>> along the fast axis (the horizontal axis in following images). See this
>>>>> link for some images:
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9r0e2rea8oaepgi/Screenshot%20-%203_17_2016%20%2C%209_49_00%20AM.png?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>> As you can see, for example, at 30 Hz, it seemed that the grating was
>>>>> splitting into multiple lines; and at 40Hz, they are also pretty bad. I
>>>> am
>>>>> using a bidirectional sawtooth voltage pattern to feed the piezo. So I
>>>> was
>>>>> wondering if anyone has similar experience on this? I switched to a new
>>>>> scanning stage, but the distortion still existed, and it did not change
>>>> as
>>>>> field of view and pixel size. Does anyone have an ideal what might be
>>>> wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>>> Lu
>>>>
>>