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Quenching fluorescent beads

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Hello,
 
Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.
 
Many thanks for any input,
 
Renato
 
Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
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Re: Quenching fluorescent beads

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Hi Renato - I suppose if the fluorophore is on the surface you can quench it. For example, orange-red fluorescence can be quenched by 5-10 mg/ml of acid blue 9 which doesn't harm the cells and doesn't penetrate intact membranes. Some fluorophores can be also be quenched by Trypan Blue. But if the beads are fluorescent inside, there isn't much you can do about it.

Mike

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Hello,
 
Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.
 
Many thanks for any input,
 
Renato
 
Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
Fax:     55 11 5571-1095
email: [hidden email]
home page: www.ecb.epm.br/~ramortara
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Re: Quenching fluorescent beads

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Hi, Renato,

     What about exploring this from a different approach. What about using a flurophore attached to the beads that only fluoresces in an acidic environment? Then, when it is taken into a phagosome, it will fluoresce.

Ed

Edward Haller, Lab Manager
University of South Florida
Integrative Biology Department
Electron Microscopy Core
SCA 110
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Tampa, FL 33620
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Hello,

Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.

Many thanks for any input,

Renato

Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
Fax:     55 11 5571-1095
email: [hidden email]
home page: www.ecb.epm.br/~ramortara
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Re: Quenching fluorescent beads

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About ten years ago we did an assay where we had Cy5 and antibody coated beads that we incubated with the cells.  Then we fixed the cells but did not permeabalize.  We stained for the antibody with rhodamine.  Thus, all beads were infrared but only beads not yet internalized were red.
examples:
http://www.einstein.yu.edu/aif/users/dcox/cups_3d/cups001202a.htm
http://www.einstein.yu.edu/aif/users/dcox/cups_3d/cups001202.htm
http://www.einstein.yu.edu/aif/users/dcox/cups_3d/cups0011.htm

-Michael

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Hi, Renato,

     What about exploring this from a different approach. What about using a flurophore attached to the beads that only fluoresces in an acidic environment? Then, when it is taken into a phagosome, it will fluoresce.

Ed

Edward Haller, Lab Manager
University of South Florida
Integrative Biology Department
Electron Microscopy Core
SCA 110
4202 East Fowler Avenue
Tampa, FL 33620
813-974-2676
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Hello,

Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.

Many thanks for any input,

Renato

Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
Fax:     55 11 5571-1095
email: [hidden email]
home page: www.ecb.epm.br/~ramortara

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Re: Quenching fluorescent beads - **vendor reply**

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** VENDOR REPLY **

This could be achieved using pHrodo SE labeling of an amine-coated bead.  pHrodo is a dye which is non-fluorescent in neutral pH, but bright red fluorescent (similar in wavelength to Texas Red) upon introduction in an acidic environment.  It was developed primarily for phagocytosis and endocytosis assays.  Invitrogen sells pHrodo SE as catalog P36600, as well as amine-coated beads of various sizes.

Cheers,

Jason

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Hi, Renato,

     What about exploring this from a different approach. What about using a flurophore attached to the beads that only fluoresces in an acidic environment? Then, when it is taken into a phagosome, it will fluoresce.

Ed

Edward Haller, Lab Manager
University of South Florida
Integrative Biology Department
Electron Microscopy Core
SCA 110
4202 East Fowler Avenue
Tampa, FL 33620
813-974-2676
[hidden email]
Office: LSA 119

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Hello,

Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.

Many thanks for any input,

Renato

Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
Fax:     55 11 5571-1095
email: [hidden email]
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Thanks everyone for the input !

Best regards to all,

Renato

 

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** VENDOR REPLY **

This could be achieved using pHrodo SE labeling of an amine-coated bead.
pHrodo is a dye which is non-fluorescent in neutral pH, but bright red
fluorescent (similar in wavelength to Texas Red) upon introduction in an
acidic environment.  It was developed primarily for phagocytosis and
endocytosis assays.  Invitrogen sells pHrodo SE as catalog P36600, as well
as amine-coated beads of various sizes.

Cheers,

Jason

Jason A. Kilgore
Sr. Assoc. Technical Application Scientist Molecular Probes Labeling and
Detection Technologies Cells Systems Division
 
T 1 800 955 6288 x2 then x4  or  541 335 0353 . F 541 335 0238
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www.invitrogen.com/technicalsupport

 
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Hi, Renato,

     What about exploring this from a different approach. What about using a
flurophore attached to the beads that only fluoresces in an acidic
environment? Then, when it is taken into a phagosome, it will fluoresce.

Ed

Edward Haller, Lab Manager
University of South Florida
Integrative Biology Department
Electron Microscopy Core
SCA 110
4202 East Fowler Avenue
Tampa, FL 33620
813-974-2676
[hidden email]
Office: LSA 119

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Hello,

Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.

Many thanks for any input,

Renato

Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
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FW: Quenching fluorescent beads

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Hi Renato,
I have in the past successfully quenched FITC-labeled bacteria with Trypan blue.  Please contact me if you would like the reference.
Cheers
Kavita


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Hi Renato - I suppose if the fluorophore is on the surface you can quench it. For example, orange-red fluorescence can be quenched by 5-10 mg/ml of acid blue 9 which doesn't harm the cells and doesn't penetrate intact membranes. Some fluorophores can be also be quenched by Trypan Blue. But if the beads are fluorescent inside, there isn't much you can do about it.

Mike

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Hello,
 
Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
ones in a phagocytosis assay.
 
Many thanks for any input,
 
Renato
 
Renato A. Mortara
Parasitology Division
UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
São Paulo, SP
04023-062
Brazil
Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
Fax:     55 11 5571-1095
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home page: www.ecb.epm.br/~ramortara
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In my experience, Trypan blue quenching only works with things like yeast and bacteria that absorb the dye at high concentration.  A bead suspended in Trypan blue will be quenched no differently inside or outside the cell because the decrease in fluorescence is due only to absorption of the excitation and emission signal.  
Dave

On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Kavita Aswani wrote:

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> Hi Renato,
> I have in the past successfully quenched FITC-labeled bacteria with Trypan blue.  Please contact me if you would like the reference.
> Cheers
> Kavita
>
>
> Dr. Kavita Aswani, PhD
> Senior Product Manager- Life Sciences
> LUMEN DYNAMICS
> (formerly EXFO Life Sciences and Industrial Division)
>
> 2260 Argentia Road, Mississauga,
> Ontario, Canada, L5N 6H7
> www.LDGI.com
> Tel: 1 905 812-3342
> Cell: 1 647 290-3506
> Toll Free (USA and Canada): 1 800 668-8752
> Fax: 1 905 821-2055
> Email: [hidden email]
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: November 29, 2010 2:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: Quenching fluorescent beads
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> Hi Renato - I suppose if the fluorophore is on the surface you can quench it. For example, orange-red fluorescence can be quenched by 5-10 mg/ml of acid blue 9 which doesn't harm the cells and doesn't penetrate intact membranes. Some fluorophores can be also be quenched by Trypan Blue. But if the beads are fluorescent inside, there isn't much you can do about it.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Renato Mortara
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 2:19 PM
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> Subject: Quenching fluorescent beads
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> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to quench/kill the fluorescence of fluorescent beads ? The
> idea is to distinguish between internalized (intracellular) x extracellular
> ones in a phagocytosis assay.
>
> Many thanks for any input,
>
> Renato
>
> Renato A. Mortara
> Parasitology Division
> UNIFESP - Escola Paulista de Medicina
> Rua Botucatu, 862, 6th floor
> São Paulo, SP
> 04023-062
> Brazil
> Phone: 55 11 5579-8306
> Fax:     55 11 5571-1095
> email: [hidden email]
> home page: www.ecb.epm.br/~ramortara

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