Re: time-domain FLIM-FRET with fixed samples

Posted by Guy Cox on
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I've no experience with the LaVision system - I know their Trimscope but not their FLIM detector.  It certainly sounds interesting.  

The LIMO will typically give robust lifetime images in 1 - 4s acquisition time (but I do work with rather bright samples).  You can always (Adrian, that is, not the List) walk over and have a play!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Adrian Smith
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:54 PM
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Subject: Re: time-domain FLIM-FRET with fixed samples

Hi Guy,

What sort of speeds/specifications are you talking about for the Nikon Limo system?

I've been looking at LaVision Biotec's new high-speed TCSPC FLIM detector but I'm not clear how it compares in principle with systems like the Nikon (or the Becker & Hickl).

http://www.lavisionbiotec.com/en/microscopy-products/fluorescence-microscopy/

Regards,

Adrian Smith
Centenary Institute, Sydney, Australia



On 21/07/2009, at 10:29 PM, Guy Cox wrote:

> You should consider that there are much faster FLIM systems than the
> Becker & Hickl.  Of course there is always a tradeoff, and typically
> you will trade some degree of lifetime resolution for the extra speed.  
> In the time-domain realm the Nikon (Europe) Limo system is much faster
> than the B&H (but collects into only 4 gates rather than 256).  It has
> a much higher photon efficiency and so can give good results at speeds
> compatible with live cell imaging, and our Limo system is routinely
> used on live cells.  (No connection other than as a customer).
>
> You can probably get even higher speeds with wide-field frequency-
> domain systems such as the Lambert LIFA.
>
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> ] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t)
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 7:45 AM
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> Hi Alexey
> Yes, Dr. Wolfgang Becker is right and the fixative produce additional
> problems in the lifetime measurements.
> Unfortunately for some of the biological experiment it is difficult to
> use the live samples. SO, currently we are working on it...how to
> overcome or correct the issues involved in lifetime measurement using
> the fixed samples versus live.
> We will post the results soon.
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> ] On Behalf Of Kozlenkov, Alexey
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:03 AM
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> Subject: time-domain FLIM-FRET with fixed samples
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> here is a question from a newbie venturing into the field of 2photon
> FLIM-FRET measurements.
>
> I'm considering using the Becker-Hickl time-domain FLIM / LSM NLO
> system to measure FRET between some membrane proteins, fused to CFP
> and YFP.
> The FLIM-based approach looked like an attractive option since it
> should allow for analysing cells with not too highly expressed
> proteins of interest, thus reducing the risk of obtaining FRET due
> only to membrane overcrowding.
> However, since my proteins are partially present in a highly motile
> pool of vesicles, I intended to use fixed cell samples (as FLIM would
> require some tens of seconds for one measurement).
>
> Now, to my question:
> The Becker-Hickl TCSPC handbook by Wolfgang Becker makes a strong
> point of NOT using fixed samples for FLIM-FRET, due to changes in
> lifetimes and strongly double-exponential decay profiles. However,
> other publications, such as a protocol in the Molecular Cloning
> "Bible", do use fixed samples for FLIM-FRET. Thus, I would welcome any
> comments or advice from the community about this matter. Is fixed
> sample FLIM-FRET really not recommended, and if it is not true, what
> would be the best methodology to use (and pitfalls to avoid). How
> important would be the choice of particular fluorescent protein,
> fixation methods and mounting media? Obviously, I would also be
> grateful for links to good reviews and experimental publications that
> I might have missed.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Alex
>
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> Molecular Medicine
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