Re: Nikon C1si?

Posted by Kurt Thorn on
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In general CCDs are more sensitive that PMTs.  I can't speak to the
sensitivities of the systems here, but a typical PMT has a quantum
efficiency on the order of 10 - 25%, whereas good CCDs have QEs from 60
- 90%.

Kurt

Craig Brideau wrote:

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> Will this system have the same sort of sensitivity as a multi-anode
> PMT system like the C1si?  This PARISS system seems to use a CCD
> camera as its detector, which will not be as sensitive, if I
> understand correctly?
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> Craig
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>> Criag
>> If spectral analysis is the endpoint you may want to consider the PARISS
>> system from Lightform. ( http://www.lightforminc.com/) that can be
>> placed on a widefield microscope.
>> We are using the PARISS system to obtain spectral data --it has 1nm
>> resolution and has a spectrum from 400-900nm. I find it to be a great
>> asset in the laboratory,
>> It is far more sensitive and accurate that any confocal system that I
>> have seen.
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>> Contact Jeremy Lerner for details on his system.
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>> Bob
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>> Thanks for your input!  As in everything, there's a trade-off.  Still,
>> for us the spectral data will be worth it.
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>> Craig
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>> On 10/5/07, Robert Zucker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> The efficiency of detection is much less in the spectral mode due to
>>>      
>> the
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>>> design of the multianode detector. In addition as Kurt Thorn said the
>>> light is split into a number of different bandpass channels instead of
>>> being detected by only one channel which also limits the detection in
>>> each channel.
>>> Nikon compensates for this decreased light by increasing the pixel
>>>      
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>>> time. However photons are photons. With less photons you will get a
>>> noisier image.
>>> The spectral detection of any confocal system using a multianode
>>> detector will not be as good as a PMT designed for good sensitivity
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>>> low light detection. It will produce nosier images but if there is
>>> enough light you will be able to determine a valuable spectrum which
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>>> be used for scientific experiments and to manipulate images. Like
>>> everything with confocal microscopy there is trade-offs and no perfect
>>> system.
>>> Best wishes.
>>> Bob
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>>> I was wondering if you saw this decreased throughput in spectral mode
>>> only, or also in conventional detection mode?  The spectral mode works
>>> with a multi-anode PMT, which has a lower quantum efficiency than a
>>> conventional PMT.  From what I have seen of the design, it also has
>>> the option to use a conventional PMT system with the device, and I am
>>> wondering if you have also tried that mode of operation?
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>>> On 10/4/07, Robert Zucker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>> One of the major limitations that we have seen with this unit and
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>>>> with  the Zeiss meta 510 is the decreased light throughput . This
>>>> creates images that are noisier than conventional confocal
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>>> microscopes.
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>>>> In our hands it appears you will need to have a bright sample to
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>>>> the spectral system work properly. ,
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