Re: localization precision in PALM/STORM

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I just assumed that photon-counting technology would be used for this but I guess I was wrong.  I also thought astronomers used CCD and CMOS sensors for photon counting.  I guess it depends on how many electrons one photon produces in the potential well.  Jim probably knows the answer to that.

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Subject: Re: localization precision in PALM/STORM

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Essentially yes.

Guy's reply would seem to apply to photon-counting with PMTs when run in photon-counting-mode, not to cameras. Guy, please correct me if I am wrong.

Christian

On 25/01/2012, at 4:18 AM, Roger Phillips wrote:

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> Thanks, Christian,
> So the sCMOS photon count would come from the formula
> photons = (counts - A/D offset)*electrons-per-count/EM-gain
> with EM-gain set to 1 and no 'additional noise introduced by the EM gain process'?
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> In Guy's reply, he said 'signals below a certain threshold are regarded as noise, and discarded, and signals above a higher threshold are regarded as 'pile-up' and also discarded.'  This methods seems to account for the 'low threshold' but not for the possible 'pile-up'?
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> You basically want to convert the AD counts in your image into photon numbers. That requires several bits of info about the camera. We have Andor cameras and I can look up the required values from the data/test sheet that comes with the individual camera (these change from cam to cam). You need to know the
> - electrons per count
> - absolute EM gain (with the quantEM you might have to measure/calibrate this)
> - A/D offset (this can be measured in dark frames with no light impinging on the cam, i.e. shutter closed)
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> The formula is then something like
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> photons = (counts - A/D offset)*electrons-per-count/EM-gain
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> Some more recent camera software packages may have functions to make this conversion for you. I am not sure about photometrics cams/SDKs.
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> Due the additional noise introduced by the EM gain process you should divide the resulting photon-numbers by 2 before looking up values from the Thompson et al. formula. There are papers on EM CCDs that explain this. I also seem to recall that some more recent papers have a subtle correction to the Thompson formula.
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> Hope this helps,
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> Christian
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> On 25/01/2012, at 2:08 AM, Christophe Leterrier wrote:
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>> Hi Mark,  
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>> I don't think the quantEM has a built-in photon calibration function, in contrast to the newer Evolve camera, also from Photometrics. The spec sheet for the quantEM is available here :
>> http://www.photometrics.com/products/datasheets/qem512sc.pdf
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>> Do I have to calibrate it myself or is Photometrics supposed to provide a photon/intensity calibration curve? I don't want exact experimental values for my precise camera, just a reasonable estimate to derive a theoretical "best" value for localization accuracy.
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>> Christophe  
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>> Le mardi 24 janvier 2012 à 10:58, Mark Cannell a écrit :
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>>> Doesn't the quantEM have a photon calibration function? The background noise should be estimated from the variance of the background (extracted from image regions when/where flashes were not detected...). You can also calibrate the camera with weak sources to double check the manufactures stated read-out calibration.
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>>> Hope this helps
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>>> Mark
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>>> On 24/01/2012, at 9:26 AM, Christophe Leterrier wrote:
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>>>> Hi,  
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>>>> Not strictly a confocal question, but I'm pretty sure this list is the best place to get thorough and insightful answers.
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>>>> I have made 2D STORM (stochastic optical reconstruction microscopy) acquisitions and processing and I end up with a table of XY localized fluorophores together with the integrated intensity of the localized diffraction-limited spot.  
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>>>> I'd like to plot each fluorophore as a gaussian with a width corresponding to the localization precision, similar to what was done in Bates et al. Science 2007. According to equation (17) in Thompson, Larson & Webb Biophys J. 2002 (http://goo.gl/5GIXM), this precision depends on the number of photons collected, the width of the diffraction-limited spot, the size of the camera pixel, and the background noise.
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>>>> So my question is : How do I get the number of photons from the intensity level of an image? I'm using a Photometrics 512*512 QuantEM camera. What is the background noise and how do I estimate it? Then using these values in the Thompson et al. equation, I can get a theoretical spot intensity / localization precision calibration curve that I could use for the gaussian-based reconstruction.
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>>>> Thanks for your help,
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>>>> Christophe Leterrier
>>>> Researcher
>>>> Axonal Domains Architecture Team
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