Re: Cy3/Cy5 registration on fluoview 1000

Posted by Oshel, Philip Eugene on
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How much of the focus shift is likely due to
chromatic aberrations of the excitation light,
and how much to the emitted light?
The colors may be chosen so that the design foci
are the same for 2 excitation colors, but then
they'd be wrong for the emitted light.
Phil

>Actually, Olympus is one of the very few
>companies who have released the curves of
>chromatic aberration of at least some of their
>objectives.  Since this is, these days,
>absolutely critical information we should be
>putting pressure on all manufacturers to provide
>this as a datasheet with their objectives.  They
>all have the data!  To claim a lens as an
>achromat it needs to have two crossing points
>(where foci are the same) which are usually in
>the blue (~480nm) and the red (~650nm).  The
>deviation between and beyond these points is not
>specified.  It could easily be in the 430nm
>region at the midpoint between these
>wavelengths.  However, I doubt if JP is using
>quite such a basic lens.  A fluorite lens has
>the same two crossing points but a much lower
>deviation and should not give the depth
>difference JP sees.  However, without a curve
>one cannot say much.  An apochromat lens has
>three crossing points, and while these are
>traditionally red, green and blue the basic
>design principles allow any 3 points, and many
>makers now offer VC objectives corrected into
>the violet.  There will still be deviations
>between the crossing points but they absolutely
>should not allow the focus shift JP is seeing.
>
>When we buy a car it could cost as little as
>just one objective, and you would get quite a
>supercar for the price of a complete microscope.
>The car would come with comprehensive
>specification sheet.  Why doesn't the microscope?
>
>                                        Guy
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>Hi Jean Pierre,
>
>although .43 microns is a bit much, (if you were using oil immersion)
>the phenomenon in general is normal. As Martin wrote, the chromatic
>aberration is mainly caused by the objective. For example, we would find
>that green (520 nm) and deep red (670 nm) were aligned pretty well, but
>the orange channel might be off about 200 - 300 nm in z (and up to 70 nm
>in xy). Color correction by the microscope optics works only so well,
>and for a certain range. It's one of those things you would like to know
>about your objective but the companies won't tell you. It also might
>change over time. When using objectives in the infrared, I measured up
>to 10 microns aberration in z.
>
>For testing, we used fluorescent multicolor beads and compared intensity
>centers in ImageJ. The beads don't need to be subresolution for this
>purpose, 0.5 µm TetraSpeck (Molecular Probes) dried on a glass surface
>do the trick, there are probably others. Be sure to embed them in the
>same mounting medium you use for your samples. And you might want to
>attach them to the coverslip *and* the slide and compare both, in case
>it gets worse with depth.
>
>Regards
>
>Steffen
>
>
>On 28.11.2012 23:26, Jean-Pierre CLAMME wrote:
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>>  Hi,
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>>  I noticed that on our fluoview 1000, the Cy3 and Cy5 channels are off  by
>>  one slice when doing (0.43 um/slice Z stacks).  I can correct it by
>>  software but I was wondering if anyone else see that on their instrument
>>  and If I should /can get it fixed.
>>
>>  Thank you
>>
>>  JP
>>
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