Re: discussion is open...continues ... ab out localization and super resolution

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Thank you for all these informative answers!

The Holtzer et al. article is providing a formula for Z-loclaization
precision in the astigmatism case (although they have a x2 factor between
theory and simulation because they don't explicitely take pixelation into
account).

I also found this recent article:

Rieger B, Stallinga S. The Lateral and Axial Localization Uncertainty in
Super-Resolution Light Microscopy. Chemphyschem. 2013 Dec 2. doi:
10.1002/cphc.201300711. [Epub ahead of print] PubMed PMID: 24302478.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cphc.201300711/abstract

Here they explicitly approximate the Z-localization precision of biplane,
astigmatism and double-helix modalities, taking into account pixelation and
background with a claimed <1% error. Although I don't really understand the
formulas yet, because they depend on the "the distance between focal lines"
and "a measure of the focal depth" that are "obtained by a calibration
measurement" but not explicited further it seems.

Thanks again,

Christophe




2014-03-04 23:33 GMT+01:00 Zdenek Svindrych <[hidden email]>:

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> Hi,
>
> also a brute force simulation of many images of many molecules and
> subsequent localisation with your preferred method is a straightforward
> (albeit a bit time consuming) way to get the localisation accuracy (and
> precision...) at nearly real-life conditions. You can simulate any photon
> counts, background, detector pixelation, effect of molecule density, biases
> of the localisation algos and so on.
>
> Hopefully our group (Guy Hagen et al) will soon publish a software tool to
> greatly simplify this. But I still didn't find a satisfactory astigmatic
> PSF
> model to include into the simulation. The cylindrical gaussian is really
> not
> close approximation of our experimental results...
>
> Best,
>
> zdenek svindrych
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> Předmět: Re: discussion is open...continues ... about localization and
> super
> resolution
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> Hi Chris,
> The z-localization precision for astigmatism based 3D localization was
> worked out by holtzer et al., applied physics letters, 2007, 90, 053902.
>
> On a related note, the precise calculations for the X/Y localization
> precision that includes background and pixilation was published in 2004 by
> Raimund Ober group (Ober et al; Biophysical Journal, 2004, 86:1185-1200).
> You can download the software to calculate the localization precision from
> here (http://www.wardoberlab.com/software/fandplimittool/).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Sripad
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> This is a great introduction to a question a wanted to ask to the SMLM
> specialists (I did not find the answer in the above reference). I also
> posted it on the Nanoscopy LinkedIn group, so I'm sorry for people that
> will
> get it two times!
>
> There are several formulas to estimate the lateral (XY) precision of
> individual localization events in PALM/STORM microscopy. This goes from the
> crude sigma(PSF)/√Nphotons to more elaborate formulas that includes
> pixelation and background (such as Thomson & Webb Biophys J 2002, corrected
> in Mortensen Nat Methods 2010). What I'm looking for is an equation that
> allows to estimate the precision for the Z localization when using
> astigmatism-based 3D PALM/STORM. The reference I have found where this
> precision is studied theoretically (such as Badierostami Applied Phys Lett
> 2010, Shaevitz Int J Optics 2009) do not use a directly calculable formula.
>
> I assume the precision depends on the photon number and the point on the Z
> calibration curve with the respective X and Y PSF width. Is anyone aware of
> such a formula?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Christophe
>
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