Re: Sprinklers in instrument rooms

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Keeping the sprinkler pipes empty is good, but I have seen lab floods come
in
an impressive number of ways.  These include a nearby water main break
(twice), pipes freezing five floors above, old building water pipes giving
way and a staff member leaving a double distilled water tap running to
fill a carboy and going home for the weekend.

If you want to be triple safe and you have enough headroom, some sort of
backup water protection is never a bad idea.  That goes triple in a very
old building.  

Also try to keep expensive things at least a couple of inches off the
floor.

All the best,


TF

Timothy Feinstein, Ph.D. | Confocal Manager
333 Bostwick Ave., N.E., Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
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Timothy Feinstein, Ph.D. | Confocal Manager
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On 6/27/14, 1:37 PM, "Douglas Richardson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>Our system requires both a smoke alarm and heat sensor to trip before
>water
>is delivered to the pipes.  Day-to-day, there is no water in the pipes
>over
>our microscopes.
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>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Craig Brideau <[hidden email]>
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>> I'm with John on this; it's not so much the sprinklers in your imaging
>>room
>> so much as the odds of a flood coming in from the floors above.
>>
>> Craig
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>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Lemasters, John J. <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
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>> > Because sprinkler heads are mandatory, we have put beach umbrellas
>>over
>> > our microscopes. I have a colleague who lost several high end systems
>> when
>> > a water line broke on a floor above his facility some years ago. The
>> > sprinkler heads are not the only thing to worry about.
>> >
>> > -----
>> > John J. Lemasters, MD, PhD
>> > Professor and GlaxoSmithKline Distinguished Endowed Chair
>> > Director, Center for Cell Death, Injury & Regeneration
>> > Departments of Drug Discovery & Biomedical Sciences and Biochemistry &
>> > Molecular Biology
>> > Medical University of South Carolina
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>> > -----Original Message-----
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>> > Subject: Re: Sprinklers in instrument rooms
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>> > Hi, Rosemary,
>> >
>> >      I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers
>> > when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was
>>never
>> > asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus
>>with
>> > sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be
>> > installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked
>>where I
>> > wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs
>>(I
>> > was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during
>> > construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot
>>where
>> > my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and
>> belly-aching
>> > on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able
>>to
>> > insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from
>>the
>> > microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on
>> the
>> > column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a
>>chance
>> to
>> > cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to
>> > cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more
>> ideally,
>> > hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the
>>rest of
>> > the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a
>> > sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but
>> it's
>> > further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic
>>dropcloth on
>> > that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew
>> > installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the
>> knee
>> > space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the
>>INSIDE
>> of
>> > the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Edward Haller, Lab Manager
>> > University of South Florida
>> > Department of Integrative Biology
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>> > Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
>> >
>> > I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any
>> new
>> > thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement,
>>second
>> > time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case
>>of
>> > fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single
>> > storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some
>>sort of
>> > sprinkler system too.
>> >
>> > What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the
>>unlikely
>> > showering of your confocal or EM?
>> > Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to
>>have
>> > fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
>> >
>> > thanks much,
>> > Rosemary
>> >
>> > Dr Rosemary White
>> > CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only) GPO Box 1600 Canberra, ACT
>> 2601
>> >
>> > T 02 6246 5475
>> > F 02 6246 5334
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>> >
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