Re: Bioimaging in Genoa - Open access - Great Talks, No women ?

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On 10/8/15, 3:52 PM, "Barbara Foster" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>Dear Listers,
>
>On one hand, I am glad to hear that this group is
>so aware.  On the other, I find it discouraging
>in this day and age to think that we actually
>have to "balance out" our programs just to make
>sure that each segment of the population is
>proportionately represented.  Several years ago,
>I received a call from an NIH Study Chair, asking
>if I knew of any scientists of a specific race so
>that they could have "proportional
>representation" in the grant process.  I found
>the question insulting.  All along, I was
>operating under what seems to be a
>misconception:  wasn't the whole NIH granting
>process (and that of other government
>institutions) supposed to be
>color/gender/nationality neutral?  I realized
>that, in my world view, people either did good
>science or didn't.  Either they were open and
>sharing with their science or they weren't.  It
>never occurred to me to consider anything
>else.  When I was one of two women in an
>undergraduate physics class of 80, it never
>dawned on me to do anything but
>participate.  More recently, when I was one of
>two women out of 52 attendees of a major
>conference given in a country in which women are
>not seen quite as equally, I stood proudly at the
>podium and delivered my paper.  Later, the
>translator for a major industrialist approached
>me and said, "Mr. X could not understand why you
>were there, until he heard you speak.  Then he
>knew that he must do business with you."
>
>Have I faced discrimination as a woman?  Yes, but
>when that has happened, I did my best to find a
>different job, a different location or a
>different approach.  Case in point:  When I was
>on the road as  a tech apps specialist for a
>major microscope company,  an older gentleman of
>another culture opened the door of his lab to
>find me standing there and pronounced, with some
>surprise, "You!  You are the tech apps
>specialist?  But you are a woman!"  My response
>was, "Yes, but I can still handle a
>screw-driver.  Now, where is your microscope?" We
>got on quite nicely after that.
>
>I applaud Alby's response.   And as for
>under-representation... if there are INDIVIDUALS
>out there... whether they be pink, purple, or
>polka-dot; male or female.. who are doing good
>science but not getting enough recognition, then
>it's OUR responsibility, as their colleagues, to
>step up and recommend them for activities so that
>they can share in opportunities like publishing
>or giving papers/posters, etc.  Microscopy is
>global.  I would hope that our world-views would be, too.
>
>That's my two cents
>
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>At 02:37 AM 10/8/2015, Alberto Diaspro wrote:
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>>Dear
>>Thank you for your observations. Please, let me
>>tell you that: 1) Eirini is a woman; 2) I
>>personally invited women that, for different
>>reasons, declined; 3) I invited women - as I use
>>to do - not because they are women - simply
>>because they do excellent research in AND
>>(logical) with the fact that I know the research
>>they do; 4) I did not reply because i was on
>>travelling with limited Internet access.
>>I am Sorry for the xtremely low percentage, hopefully you will like
>>Science.
>>
>>Alby iPad
>>
>> > Il giorno 08 ott 2015, alle ore 14:41, Julia
>> Edgar <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>> >
>> > Yes, much appreciated, Jeremy.
>> > Thank you
>> > Julia
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Confocal Microscopy List
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sylvie Le Guyader
>> > Sent: 08 October 2015 13:34
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Subject: Re: Bioimaging in Genoa - Open access - Great Talks, No
>>women ?
>> >
>> > There is no 'Like' button on the confocal
>> server and no way to insert an image in a mail
>> but everyone knows what they look like anyway
>> so I give Jeremy a huge ‘Like’.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you for your efforts, Jeremy! The
>> Swedish part of me really appreciates and the French part of me loves
>>it! :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Med vänlig hälsning / Best regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sylvie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>> >
>> > Sylvie Le Guyader, PhD
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>> > Live Cell Imaging Unit Manager
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>> > Karolinska Institutet- Bionut Dpt
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>> > Hälsovägen 7,
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Confocal Microscopy List
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Adler
>> > Sent: den 8 oktober 2015 11:20
>> > To:
>>
>>[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
>> > Subject: Re: Bioimaging in Genoa - Open access - Great Talks, No
>>women ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Last week I posed a simple question about a
>> conference that was being promoted using this list.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 'Alberto, in case my reading of unfamiliar
>> names is incorrect,  could you give us the
>> fraction of the speakers that are male.'
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There has been no response - the question
>> seems to come down to whether men make up  100%
>> or just 96% of the speakers. Implicit  in the question is how is this
>>possible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The massive under representation women as
>> speakers is not trivial, being invited to speak
>> has considerable career advantages, its looks
>> good on a CV, it provides good networking
>> opportunities beyond those available to
>> conference participants, in addition speakers
>> costs are often met and the unstated deal is
>> that the organizers then expect/hope that the
>> chosen speakers will reciprocate and invite
>> them to their conferences - a loop that further
>> works to exclude women. That speakers often
>> become decision makers on grant applications
>> and publications makes this cosy arrangement even more pernicious.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So Alberto please answer a very simple but important  question.
>> >
>> >