http://confocal-microscopy-list.275.s1.nabble.com/Re-Bioimaging-in-Genoa-Open-access-Great-Talks-No-women-tp7584302p7584317.html
should not come into play" is a nice thought... it nevertheless will not
those names dont automatically come to mind... because they weren't invited
Lastly, I wholeheartedly loved this discourse. Yet, further emails saying
Yay or Nay will not further the cause. No need to beat a dead horse and no
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> Dear All
> I don't think any of us who expressed gratitude for Jeremy's message
> suggested there should be a "balance out". Personally, I believe in
> meritocracy. But, that 96 % of speakers are male does seem somewhat
> disproportionate. However, I must admit that I don't know what proportion
> of males/ females work in this field and /or were available to speak.
> Nonetheless, Jeremy raised some very important points regarding how
> invitations to speak affect career progression for ALL.
> Julia
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> On one hand, I am glad to hear that this group is
> so aware. On the other, I find it discouraging
> in this day and age to think that we actually
> have to "balance out" our programs just to make
> sure that each segment of the population is
> proportionately represented. Several years ago,
> I received a call from an NIH Study Chair, asking
> if I knew of any scientists of a specific race so
> that they could have "proportional
> representation" in the grant process. I found
> the question insulting. All along, I was
> operating under what seems to be a
> misconception: wasn't the whole NIH granting
> process (and that of other government
> institutions) supposed to be
> color/gender/nationality neutral? I realized
> that, in my world view, people either did good
> science or didn't. Either they were open and
> sharing with their science or they weren't. It
> never occurred to me to consider anything
> else. When I was one of two women in an
> undergraduate physics class of 80, it never
> dawned on me to do anything but
> participate. More recently, when I was one of
> two women out of 52 attendees of a major
> conference given in a country in which women are
> not seen quite as equally, I stood proudly at the
> podium and delivered my paper. Later, the
> translator for a major industrialist approached
> me and said, "Mr. X could not understand why you
> were there, until he heard you speak. Then he
> knew that he must do business with you."
>
> Have I faced discrimination as a woman? Yes, but
> when that has happened, I did my best to find a
> different job, a different location or a
> different approach. Case in point: When I was
> on the road as a tech apps specialist for a
> major microscope company, an older gentleman of
> another culture opened the door of his lab to
> find me standing there and pronounced, with some
> surprise, "You! You are the tech apps
> specialist? But you are a woman!" My response
> was, "Yes, but I can still handle a
> screw-driver. Now, where is your microscope?" We
> got on quite nicely after that.
>
> I applaud Alby's response. And as for
> under-representation... if there are INDIVIDUALS
> out there... whether they be pink, purple, or
> polka-dot; male or female.. who are doing good
> science but not getting enough recognition, then
> it's OUR responsibility, as their colleagues, to
> step up and recommend them for activities so that
> they can share in opportunities like publishing
> or giving papers/posters, etc. Microscopy is
> global. I would hope that our world-views would be, too.
>
> That's my two cents
>
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>
> At 02:37 AM 10/8/2015, Alberto Diaspro wrote:
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> >Dear
> >Thank you for your observations. Please, let me
> >tell you that: 1) Eirini is a woman; 2) I
> >personally invited women that, for different
> >reasons, declined; 3) I invited women - as I use
> >to do - not because they are women - simply
> >because they do excellent research in AND
> >(logical) with the fact that I know the research
> >they do; 4) I did not reply because i was on
> >travelling with limited Internet access.
> >I am Sorry for the xtremely low percentage, hopefully you will like
> Science.
> >
> >Alby iPad
> >
> > > Il giorno 08 ott 2015, alle ore 14:41, Julia
> > Edgar <
[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > Yes, much appreciated, Jeremy.
> > > Thank you
> > > Julia
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Confocal Microscopy List
> > [mailto:
[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sylvie Le Guyader
> > > Sent: 08 October 2015 13:34
> > > To:
[hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: Bioimaging in Genoa - Open access - Great Talks, No women
> ?
> > >
> > > There is no 'Like' button on the confocal
> > server and no way to insert an image in a mail
> > but everyone knows what they look like anyway
> > so I give Jeremy a huge ‘Like’.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for your efforts, Jeremy! The
> > Swedish part of me really appreciates and the French part of me loves
> it! :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Med vänlig hälsning / Best regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sylvie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> > >
> > > Sylvie Le Guyader, PhD
> > >
> > > Live Cell Imaging Unit Manager
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Confocal Microscopy List
> > [mailto:
[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Adler
> > > Sent: den 8 oktober 2015 11:20
> > > To:
> >
[hidden email]<mailto:
[hidden email]
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Bioimaging in Genoa - Open access - Great Talks, No women
> ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last week I posed a simple question about a
> > conference that was being promoted using this list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 'Alberto, in case my reading of unfamiliar
> > names is incorrect, could you give us the
> > fraction of the speakers that are male.'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There has been no response - the question
> > seems to come down to whether men make up 100%
> > or just 96% of the speakers. Implicit in the question is how is this
> possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The massive under representation women as
> > speakers is not trivial, being invited to speak
> > has considerable career advantages, its looks
> > good on a CV, it provides good networking
> > opportunities beyond those available to
> > conference participants, in addition speakers
> > costs are often met and the unstated deal is
> > that the organizers then expect/hope that the
> > chosen speakers will reciprocate and invite
> > them to their conferences - a loop that further
> > works to exclude women. That speakers often
> > become decision makers on grant applications
> > and publications makes this cosy arrangement even more pernicious.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So Alberto please answer a very simple but important question.
> > >
> > >
>