Re: Assessing phototoxicity in live fluorescence imaging

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Correct. You can select a point ROI for photostimulation. But you cannot image that point.  For measuring the laser power it may work.
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> On Jul 19, 2017, at 9:11 AM, PEARSON Matthew <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I'm sure i've parked the beam on our Nikon A1, you can set a single pixel as an ROI and only image at that point, thus not scanning with the galvo's.  Its in the simple ROI editor and is a crosshair icon, can't remember what its called, bleach point or something like that.
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> On 19 Jul 2017, at 14:57, Guillermo Marques <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
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> Olympus Fluoview 1000 allows parking of the beam, Nikon A1R does not.
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> I've noted the effect Andreas mentions quite often. I usually set the pixel
> dwell time to the maximum such that the laser will spend the longest time
> possible scanning out a single line, but even then the flyback can disturb
> the reading. The best way is to park the mirrors in the center position,
> although not all systems allow you to do that. Nikon's old C1 platform
> allows for it, and ThorLabs' ThorScanLS has a park button as well. I'm not
> sure about other vendors, but I'm sure others can chime in with their
> experiences.
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> Hi Claire,
> Confocals usually blank (switch off) the beam on the return and the power
> meter averages between the on and off phases. Very slow scans are more
> accurate an I usually use high zoom. Parking the beam is the better option.
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> Thank you for this great article and pointing to many great resources.
> I wanted to bring up one issue we have had when trying to work on
> different microscope and compare light density/exposure.
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> For the CLSM microscopes when we use a power meter at the focal plan the
> power we measure depends a lot on the scan settings.
> If we park the beam as a point we get one power. If we go to a 100x100
> pixel array at zoom 1 with a 10x lens the power is different. if we change
> the scan speed the power is different again. I suspect this is related to
> how the power meter integrates the light over time and also how sensitive
> it is spatially across the sensor. We have decide to just quote our power
> as the power we measure at the power meter with set conditions and we
> detail those conditions in our materials and methods section of the paper.
> We try to use a 10x/0.3 planfluar lens with no phase optics if we can.
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> We have stayed away from trying to calculate the power at the sample
> because a lot of assumptions have to be made. The assumptions may be
> different for wide-field versus CLSM versus light sheet versus spinning
> disk and so on.
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> We ran into these issues when just trying to repeat measurements on two
> different confocals from two different manufacturers. It can really get
> quite complex.
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> Does anyone have thoughts on this issue? Any cleaver solutions? It is my
> thought that comparing relative powers on the same instrument is okay but
> comparing between systems will be very complex.
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> Ideally, it would be good for the manufacturers to have some kind of laser
> power measurement in the instrument and software that is always monitored.
> Even if this is just a relative value to the actual power at the sample it
> would really improve quantitative microscopy and also help in maintenance
> and trouble shooting equipment. I'm not sure about others but this kind of
> a feature would really be a strong selling point for me and the core
> facilities I manage. In many cases these options are already built into the
> hardware for the service engineers but are not accessible to the end user.
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> Sincerely,
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> Claire
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