Re: PC requirements

Posted by Satoru Uzawa on
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Dear Craig,

  There are few motherboards which can fill your need.  For example, Tyan S7070 A2NR-M2 has an M.2 slot and 16 DIMM slots with maximum 512GB total RAM.

http://www.tyan.com/Motherboards_S7070_S7070A2NR-M2 <http://www.tyan.com/Motherboards_S7070_S7070A2NR-M2>

   Also, many motherboards for AMD Threadripper has 8 DIMM slots and M.2 socket even though they are single CPU system.  As an example, check

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-EXTREME/ <https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-EXTREME/>

   The maximum RAM capacity is limited to 128GB but the board can take ECC RAM, which is a must feature (at least for me).  AMD Threadripper offers nice CPU core count with decent floating point performance at a lower price.

Best,

Satoru

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Craig Brideau <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Comment on the M.2 drives: They are significantly faster than SATA SSDs,
> but for full speed the motherboard must support NVMe which is a dedicated
> protocol for M.2 drives featuring a dedicated slot on the motherboard.
> Annoyingly, most dual-CPU-socket 8-DIMM slot motherboards don't feature
> this, so it is not an available option if you also want >64GB of RAM. If
> anyone happens to come across an NVMe board that also has 8-DIMM slots
> please let me know!
> I use an M.2 NVMe for a system at home and it boots absurdly fast with only
> an older i5 core.
>
> Craig
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> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Menelaos Symeonides <[hidden email]>
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>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> If you have ever built your own PC, or know someone who has, you can
>> benefit greatly from building it custom. Off-the-shelf systems can be
>> upmarked considerably and often use outdated components or skimp on
>> important things like a good power supply. Of course, the benefit of that
>> would be presumably a warranty on the whole system, in case you are not
>> able to diagnose things yourself, but if you build a custom system, each
>> component will come with its own warranty. It would just be up to you to
>> determine which component is faulty and claim the warranty on it yourself.
>>
>> I recently built such a computer for light sheet data acquisition and
>> processing/analysis. Here is the configuration:
>>
>> Motherboard: Asus Z10PE-D16 WS
>> CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2650 V4 (x2)
>> CPU cooler: Noctua NH-U12DXi4 (x2)
>> Memory: Samsung M393A2G40EB1-CRC 16GB DDR4 2400MHz ECC-Reg (x8 = 128 GB
>> total)
>> OS drive: Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 SSD (on a PCIE M.2 adapter
>> because the motherboard runs its onboard M.2 at SATA speed)
>> Data drive: Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SATA (6 drives in RAID10 configuration)
>> Video card: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB
>> Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo
>> Power supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 1200W 80+ Platinum
>>
>> You will obviously also need monitors, keyboard, mouse, Windows license,
>> and some kind of data server - you should assume that you will not be
>> storing your data on this computer if you are generating 1TB datasets. I
>> got a Synology DS1817+ 8-bay NAS with a 10GbE adapter and loaded it with 8
>> Western Digital Gold 10TB drives (WD101KRYZ), and run them in SHR2
>> (basically RAID6, for double-parity, i.e. you can lose two drives and still
>> be able to recover). I also got a 10GbE adapter for the workstation PC,
>> this allows utilization of the maximum transfer rates the RAID array is
>> capable of, which is 3-4 times faster than standard Gigabit Ethernet. This
>> data server is costly but, for light sheet data, basically necessary if
>> your institute does not provide substantial data storage.
>>
>> Another thing to note is that component prices can fluctuate quite a bit.
>> I bought the video card in the summer for under $740. Right now they are
>> out of stock everywhere (1080 Ti of any brand), and when they are in stock,
>> they go for anywhere up to $2,000 (you have bitcoin mining to thank for
>> that). You can get a Titan Xp for less than that now so the
>> price/perfomance advantage of the 1080 Ti is no longer there, but look for
>> the Titans to also disappear off the market really quickly as mining
>> expands higher up the range.
>>
>> All told, I spent around $9,000 for the workstation and $4,500 for the
>> data server. Comparable off-the-shelf workstations cost around $12,000 -
>> $15,000 (and possibly even more now with the GPU market up in the air and
>> RAM prices currently rising), and off-the-shelf data servers of similar
>> capacity would cost much more than that.
>>
>> Assembly and setup of the PC was not trivial, so you will want someone
>> with experience to help you. Workstation (Xeon) motherboards can be very
>> finicky, and the installation manuals for some components can be pretty
>> incomprehensible. Also be aware that if you need multiple PCIE slots
>> available for data acquisition cards etc., the GPU only takes one but
>> actually occludes at least one more slot (my card took up three slots
>> total) so your choice of case/card should be made carefully. I ended up
>> cutting a hole in the back panel of the case and mounting the GPU
>> vertically with a 2-slot PCI bracket and PCIE riser cable, as I needed
>> every last PCIE slot on the motherboard. Some cases come with vertical GPU
>> mounting positions, but some of those will block the regular PCIE slots, or
>> will be incompatible with SSI-EEB format motherboards (which is what most
>> dual CPU boards will be).
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> Mel
>>
>>
>> On 1/15/2018 7:22 AM, Owens, Peter wrote:
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>>> Dear listers,
>>>
>>> I am looking into purchasing a high end image processing PC , that will
>>> be capable of processing large multidimensional data sets up to 1 TB in
>>> size.
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations on a PC configuration that would be
>>> suitable?
>>> Do people build custom PCs or buy off the shelf?
>>> Are high spec gaming PCs up to this task?
>>>
>>> thanks for any advice on this .
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Owens
>>> Centre for Microscopy and Imaging,
>>> National University of Ireland Galway.
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>>>
>>>
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