Re: fixable pH sensor **vendor response** and additional question...

Posted by Douglas Richardson on
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Hi Jason,

All of the fluorescent proteins I've worked with also use a similar
protonation reaction and are reversible (EGFP, EYFP, sepHlorin and
others....see Fig 1 here: doi:10.1038/s41467-017-00606-4
<https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-00606-4>).

-Doug

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Kilgore, Jason A. <
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> **Vendor Response**
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> I agree with Doug.  Though the LysoSensor dextran is "fixable" in the
> sense that the dextran portion has amine groups that are crosslinked with
> formaldehyde, and will thus be retained after fixation, the pH-response is
> *not* fixable and will reflect the pH of the subsequent buffers.  You could
> put the fixed cells into a pH 4 buffer to visualize the localization of the
> dextran, but not be able to see what the pH was prior to the fixation.
>
> To my knowledge, there aren't any pH indicator organic dyes that will have
> a pH *response* that will be irreversible or fixable.
>
> HOWEVER, I am not familiar with pH-sensitive fluorescent proteins.  A
> question for the rest of the listserv:  Would pH-responsive fluorescent
> proteins be fixable and retain the pH response?
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> Jason
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> Hi Sylvie,
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> I just had this discussion with a user yesterday as well.  All of the pH
> sensor that I know work based on a reversible protonation reaction that
> shifts the fluorophore's fluorescent properties. Because this reaction is
> reversible, as soon as you perforate the membrane during fixation, the pH
> probe is going to read out the pH of whatever buffer/mounting media the
> cells are sitting in.
>
> If anyone knows of an irreversible pH sensor, I'd be interested to hear
> about it!
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> -Doug
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> > Hi
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> > I see no point on measuring pH with fixed cell. Upon fixation you
> > should have an immediate dissipation of any acidic compartment,
> > specially with protons that move very fast. Even you can measure
> > something I would doubt about the quality of those results. It is hard
> > enough without fixation :)
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> > ...Buy a microscope for the BLS3
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> > > On 24 Jan 2018, at 15:49, Sylvie Le Guyader
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> > > Hi Mike
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> > > Yes we want to measure the Lysosome pH in cells infected with a BSL3
> > virus but we image them in a non BSL3 imaging facility so the cells
> > must be fixed before imaging.
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> > > Sylvie,
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> > > Do you want to measure pH in chemically fixed cells? (Sorry, this is
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> > an answer to your question but a counter-question)
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> > > Mike
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> > > Hello everyone
> > >
> > > Would anyone know of a fixable pH sensor for lysosomes that is
> > > excited
> > in the visible range and not in the UV? We only know of the Lysosensor
> > Yellow/Blue dextran by Thermofisher we have no UV on the microscope we
> > want to use.
> > >
> > > thanks
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