http://confocal-microscopy-list.275.s1.nabble.com/Web-app-to-direct-user-to-the-right-microscope-tp7592166p7592188.html
Thanks Benjamin for the excellent video link, I can now see where this is going, scientists would let the AI generate the whole publication instead of just asking for advice on microscopy and nobody could tell the difference :-(
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> Maybe if you would go beyond the a simple App and use a sophisticated AI
> system, feed it with the combined knowledge of the 1000 top microscopy
> specialists plus 100,000 most relevant microscopy papers, it would actually
> come up with novel ways of doing microscopy?
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> One resource I do steer a lot of researchers to who want to learn more
> about microscopy is the Molecular Expressions Microscopy Primer site. The
> descriptions and interactive tutorials are immensely helpful in helping a
> lay-person understand how all the different imaging modalities work, and
> what all those knobs and switches actually do. I can say as a graduate
> student who knew nothing about microscopes but whose research was heavily
> reliant on getting a LSCM to work at the limits of its capacity, this site
> was invaluable. Once someone graduates past that, the "Imaging: A
> Laboratory Manual" from Cold Spring Harbor is another excellent resource.
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> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 2:48 PM Cammer, Michael <
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> > Even if a sophisticated AI system could capture all the meeting and in
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> > experiments I have done over the last 30 years and score them, it would
> not
> > have enough data for an app. I bet if it included yor experiences too,
> it
> > wouldn't be enough.
> >
> > Also, one of the replies says, "[I]n my experience users often don't even
> > know how to phrase what it is that they want to do in terms of what the
> > microscope is capable of[.]" They don't understand what microscopy can
> > do. They don't know what questions to ask.
> > Often they need help with the biology too.
> >
> > We would have to give them a significant education just to understand the
> > app.
> >
> > And the people who do understand microscopy can read the webpages and ask
> > a few follow-up questions to see what we offer. Maybe they teach us
> stuff
> > too.
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> > Michael Cammer, Sr Research Scientist, DART Microscopy Laboratory
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> > Dear Matthieu,
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> > Even though I have email correspondence with equipment users prior to
> > their training session, I am still often surprised when they show up with
> > their samples.
> >
> > For live imaging, I always meet with the person face-to-face before
> > booking any equipment so that I can determine which system is best for
> them
> > to start with and there are so many questions that need to be
> > asked/answered.
> >
> > Also, we have such a broad range of research to support in our facility,
> > from biological/biomedical/pharmacy to materials/geology, etc. that it
> > would be very hard to cover all options and possibilities. Plus there is
> > always the analysis to consider and we try to take the reverse view as
> per
> > the paper that Teng-Leong alluded to and advertised to this list a while
> > ago.
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> > I do have people asking to learn particular instrumentation as they can
> > see all of our machines on our website. But I still ask the questions as
> > sometimes they will ask to learn an invert (or upright) when their sample
> > is not suitable. For example, the very confident person who requested the
> > upright and turned up with a multiwell plate...
> >
> > I think our team of experts is still the best option for helping users
> > decide and in a timely way. We are also the ones who will be training and
> > supporting them so we do need to know what is coming!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Jacqui
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> > Dear all,
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> > I've been repetitively asked by some users if I could build a Web app
> that
> > would guide them through a series of questions (like a personality test)
> to
> > the ideal microscope(s) for their experiment. Does anyone have experience
> > with this? Which app have you used?
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> > Obviously, I'd rather they come and talk but maybe I'm just scary :-)
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