BP 465-510 emission filter

[Melia Paizi]

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Dear all,

A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
have to continue the experiments there.

We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.

We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?

Thank you!


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Melia Paizi, PhD
Microscopy & Imaging
Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
Technion - Israel Institute of Technology

[Ingela Parmryd-2]

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Dear Melia,

If you can use a dual bp filter Chroma has one that will meet your requirements - 51018m.

Kind regards,

Ingela Parmryd


28 jan 2013 kl. 10.40 skrev Melia Paizi:

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> Dear all,
>
> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> have to continue the experiments there.
>
> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>
> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Melia Paizi, PhD
> Microscopy & Imaging
> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology

[Ingela Parmryd-2]

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Dear Melia,

If you can use a dual bp filter Chroma has one that will meet your requirements - 51018m.

Kind regards,

Ingela Parmryd



___________________________
Ingela Parmryd
Department of Medical Cell Biology
Uppsala University
Box 571
751 23 UPPSALA
SWEDEN
Tel: [phone]





28 jan 2013 kl. 10.40 skrev Melia Paizi:

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> Dear all,
>
> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> have to continue the experiments there.
>
> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>
> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Melia Paizi, PhD
> Microscopy & Imaging
> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology

[Steffen Dietzel]

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This sounds 'interessting'. The obvious thing would be to ask the
manufacturer (who?) of that other LSM where they got this filter, so you
have probably done that. And they don't know? Makes me wonder if that BP
465-510 realy is what it's labeled as.

In any case, if you need to exactly reproduce the setting, wouldn't that
also extend to transmission values, so that you might need exactly that
one type of filter, not just one with the same borders?

just my 2 cents


Steffen

On 28.01.2013 10:40, Melia Paizi wrote:

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> Dear all,
>
> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> have to continue the experiments there.
>
> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>
> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Melia Paizi, PhD
> Microscopy&  Imaging
> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
>

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Melia,

I would suggest that you contact someone at the other institution and
ask them to look again at the filters (and take pictures if possible).
I suggest this because I have more than once seen people jot notes
from memory only to find that while close those notes did not exactly
replicate reality. Also, I have worked with both Chroma and Semrock
long enough now that I find it very surprising to hear that they have
no option for matching your requested band pass.

Chris Tully, M.S., Image Analysis Expert
t 240.475.9753 f 419.831.0527 | [hidden email]

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos.

On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Steffen Dietzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> This sounds 'interessting'. The obvious thing would be to ask the
> manufacturer (who?) of that other LSM where they got this filter, so you
> have probably done that. And they don't know? Makes me wonder if that BP
> 465-510 realy is what it's labeled as.
>
> In any case, if you need to exactly reproduce the setting, wouldn't that
> also extend to transmission values, so that you might need exactly that
> one type of filter, not just one with the same borders?
>
> just my 2 cents
>
>
> Steffen
>
> On 28.01.2013 10:40, Melia Paizi wrote:
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
>> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
>> have to continue the experiments there.
>>
>> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
>> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>>
>> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
>> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
>> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Melia Paizi, PhD
>> Microscopy&  Imaging
>> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
>> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
> Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex)
> Head of light microscopy
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[Guy Cox-2]

Your 490/43 filter is roughly equivalent to 468-512.  This is really pretty close, and I suspect within tolerances. (The manufacturers will doubtless disagree with this, but many confocal microscopes have the filters set at slight angles to avoid reflections).  The key issue is how it matches the emission spectrum of the dye, and you don't mention what that is.

                                       Guy

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Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 8:40 PM
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Subject: BP 465-510 emission filter

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Dear all,

A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
have to continue the experiments there.

We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.

We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?

Thank you!


--
Melia Paizi, PhD
Microscopy & Imaging
Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
Technion - Israel Institute of Technology

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Hi, Melia,

as Steffen already has mentioned, the only way to "exactly" reproduce
conditions would be to get hold of exactly the same filter, and, possibly
even more important, to make sure that the objectives, dichroics, detector
pathways and detectors would be the same as on the other system, plus that
adjustable settings of pre-amplifiers, AD board thresholds a.s.o. would be
exactly the same on both systems.
To reproduce all this might be a considerable effort, even if you would
use systems, which are related to each other or even are of the same type
but would include different batches of the products mentioned above.

So, "exact" reproduction, I fear, is a task close to "mission impossible".

In order to force even the most bad-willing and reluctant referee to
accept that you have the "same conditions" on both systems, you could scan
some standard preparations - fluorescent beads or the like - on both
systems at the same system settings and compare the images.

Hope this helps,

Johannes

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> Dear all,
>
> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the
> conditions
> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> have to continue the experiments there.
>
> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>
> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Melia Paizi, PhD
> Microscopy & Imaging
> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
>

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[Armstrong, Brian]

Hello, both Chroma and Semrock will make this for you. Edmond Optics may as well. Also, the entire light path would need to be the same, dichroic, secondary dichroic, and BP filter in order for everything to be the same. All LSM510(s) are not created equal as they are all custom ordered.

Also, replacing a filter in a filter wheel "in the field" is not recommended for users. Do you have a slot where you can replace a single filter without going into the scanhead? We have this option in one of our scan-heads but not the other (we have two LSM 510s).

Cheers,    

Brian D Armstrong PhD
Assistant Research Professor
Director, Light Microscopy Core
Beckman Research Institute
City of Hope
Dept of Neuroscience
1450 E Duarte Rd
Duarte, CA 91010
626-256-4673 x62872

http://www.cityofhope.org/research/support/Light-Microscopy-Digital-Imaging/Pages/default.aspx

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: BP 465-510 emission filter

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This sounds 'interessting'. The obvious thing would be to ask the
manufacturer (who?) of that other LSM where they got this filter, so you
have probably done that. And they don't know? Makes me wonder if that BP
465-510 realy is what it's labeled as.

In any case, if you need to exactly reproduce the setting, wouldn't that
also extend to transmission values, so that you might need exactly that
one type of filter, not just one with the same borders?

just my 2 cents


Steffen

On 28.01.2013 10:40, Melia Paizi wrote:

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> Dear all,
>
> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> have to continue the experiments there.
>
> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>
> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Melia Paizi, PhD
> Microscopy&  Imaging
> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
>

--
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Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex)
Head of light microscopy

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On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Armstrong, Brian <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Hello, both Chroma and Semrock will make this for you. Edmond Optics may
> as well. Also, the entire light path would need to be the same, dichroic,
> secondary dichroic, and BP filter in order for everything to be the same.
> All LSM510(s) are not created equal as they are all custom ordered.
>
> Also, replacing a filter in a filter wheel "in the field" is not
> recommended for users. Do you have a slot where you can replace a single
> filter without going into the scanhead? We have this option in one of our
> scan-heads but not the other (we have two LSM 510s).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian D Armstrong PhD
> Assistant Research Professor
> Director, Light Microscopy Core
> Beckman Research Institute
> City of Hope
> Dept of Neuroscience
> 1450 E Duarte Rd
> Duarte, CA 91010
> 626-256-4673 x62872
>
>
> http://www.cityofhope.org/research/support/Light-Microscopy-Digital-Imaging/Pages/default.aspx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Steffen Dietzel
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: BP 465-510 emission filter
>
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> This sounds 'interessting'. The obvious thing would be to ask the
> manufacturer (who?) of that other LSM where they got this filter, so you
> have probably done that. And they don't know? Makes me wonder if that BP
> 465-510 realy is what it's labeled as.
>
> In any case, if you need to exactly reproduce the setting, wouldn't that
> also extend to transmission values, so that you might need exactly that
> one type of filter, not just one with the same borders?
>
> just my 2 cents
>
>
> Steffen
>
> On 28.01.2013 10:40, Melia Paizi wrote:
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> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the
> conditions
> > of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> > have to continue the experiments there.
> >
> > We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> > filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
> >
> > We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> > Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature
> I
> > can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Melia Paizi, PhD
> > Microscopy&  Imaging
> > Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> > Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
> >
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
> Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex)
> Head of light microscopy
>
> Mail room:
> Marchioninistr. 15, D-81377 München
>
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Chroma has some that are within a few nanometers of what you want:

http://www.chroma.com/product/individual-filters-mirrors/widefield-microscopy/D485_x_40m-EM
http://www.chroma.com/product/individual-filters-mirrors/widefield-microscopy/D490_x_40m-EM
http://www.chroma.com/product/individual-filters-mirrors/widefield-microscopy/HQ490_x_40m-EM
http://www.chroma.com/product/custom-and-clearance/custom-inventory/band-NC331858

Found these in 2 minutes with a search on their site.  Given that the
repeatability of most filters is 5 nm, getting a filter within 5 nm of your
desired band should be pretty darn good.

Craig


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Gregg Jarvis <[hidden email]>wrote:

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>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Armstrong, Brian <[hidden email]
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello, both Chroma and Semrock will make this for you. Edmond Optics may
> > as well. Also, the entire light path would need to be the same, dichroic,
> > secondary dichroic, and BP filter in order for everything to be the same.
> > All LSM510(s) are not created equal as they are all custom ordered.
> >
> > Also, replacing a filter in a filter wheel "in the field" is not
> > recommended for users. Do you have a slot where you can replace a single
> > filter without going into the scanhead? We have this option in one of our
> > scan-heads but not the other (we have two LSM 510s).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Brian D Armstrong PhD
> > Assistant Research Professor
> > Director, Light Microscopy Core
> > Beckman Research Institute
> > City of Hope
> > Dept of Neuroscience
> > 1450 E Duarte Rd
> > Duarte, CA 91010
> > 626-256-4673 x62872
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.cityofhope.org/research/support/Light-Microscopy-Digital-Imaging/Pages/default.aspx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > On Behalf Of Steffen Dietzel
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: BP 465-510 emission filter
> >
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
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> >
> > This sounds 'interessting'. The obvious thing would be to ask the
> > manufacturer (who?) of that other LSM where they got this filter, so you
> > have probably done that. And they don't know? Makes me wonder if that BP
> > 465-510 realy is what it's labeled as.
> >
> > In any case, if you need to exactly reproduce the setting, wouldn't that
> > also extend to transmission values, so that you might need exactly that
> > one type of filter, not just one with the same borders?
> >
> > just my 2 cents
> >
> >
> > Steffen
> >
> > On 28.01.2013 10:40, Melia Paizi wrote:
> > > *****
> > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
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> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the
> > conditions
> > > of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they
> may
> > > have to continue the experiments there.
> > >
> > > We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an
> emission
> > > filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
> > >
> > > We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> > > Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific
> literature
> > I
> > > can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Melia Paizi, PhD
> > > Microscopy&  Imaging
> > > Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> > > Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat
> > Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München
> > Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex)
> > Head of light microscopy
> >
> > Mail room:
> > Marchioninistr. 15, D-81377 München
> >
> > Building location:
> > Marchioninistr. 27,  München-Großhadern
> >
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> Tel: [phone]
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>

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Call Omega Optical they probably have something similar for lower price
within 2nm of the WL you need.
802-251-7322

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Craig Brideau <[hidden email]>wrote:

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> Chroma has some that are within a few nanometers of what you want:
>
>
> http://www.chroma.com/product/individual-filters-mirrors/widefield-microscopy/D485_x_40m-EM
>
> http://www.chroma.com/product/individual-filters-mirrors/widefield-microscopy/D490_x_40m-EM
>
> http://www.chroma.com/product/individual-filters-mirrors/widefield-microscopy/HQ490_x_40m-EM
>
> http://www.chroma.com/product/custom-and-clearance/custom-inventory/band-NC331858
>
> Found these in 2 minutes with a search on their site.  Given that the
> repeatability of most filters is 5 nm, getting a filter within 5 nm of your
> desired band should be pretty darn good.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Gregg Jarvis <[hidden email]
> >wrote:
>
> > *****
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> > Omega Optical is another avenue
> > 1-802-251-7322
> > Ask for Iain
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Armstrong, Brian <[hidden email]
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, both Chroma and Semrock will make this for you. Edmond Optics
> may
> > > as well. Also, the entire light path would need to be the same,
> dichroic,
> > > secondary dichroic, and BP filter in order for everything to be the
> same.
> > > All LSM510(s) are not created equal as they are all custom ordered.
> > >
> > > Also, replacing a filter in a filter wheel "in the field" is not
> > > recommended for users. Do you have a slot where you can replace a
> single
> > > filter without going into the scanhead? We have this option in one of
> our
> > > scan-heads but not the other (we have two LSM 510s).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Brian D Armstrong PhD
> > > Assistant Research Professor
> > > Director, Light Microscopy Core
> > > Beckman Research Institute
> > > City of Hope
> > > Dept of Neuroscience
> > > 1450 E Duarte Rd
> > > Duarte, CA 91010
> > > 626-256-4673 x62872
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.cityofhope.org/research/support/Light-Microscopy-Digital-Imaging/Pages/default.aspx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:
> [hidden email]]
> > > On Behalf Of Steffen Dietzel
> > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27 AM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: BP 465-510 emission filter
> > >
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> > > This sounds 'interessting'. The obvious thing would be to ask the
> > > manufacturer (who?) of that other LSM where they got this filter, so
> you
> > > have probably done that. And they don't know? Makes me wonder if that
> BP
> > > 465-510 realy is what it's labeled as.
> > >
> > > In any case, if you need to exactly reproduce the setting, wouldn't
> that
> > > also extend to transmission values, so that you might need exactly that
> > > one type of filter, not just one with the same borders?
> > >
> > > just my 2 cents
> > >
> > >
> > > Steffen
> > >
> > > On 28.01.2013 10:40, Melia Paizi wrote:
> > > > *****
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> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the
> > > conditions
> > > > of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they
> > may
> > > > have to continue the experiments there.
> > > >
> > > > We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an
> > emission
> > > > filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
> > > >
> > > > We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> > > > Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific
> > literature
> > > I
> > > > can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Melia Paizi, PhD
> > > > Microscopy&  Imaging
> > > > Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> > > > Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat
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Hi Melia, (I confess to not reading the entire thread - my apology to
anyone who has already pointed this out)

The Zeiss LSM510 has a couple of "user changable" emission filter
positions, but may be best to have Zeiss service do it.

As pointed out by other, Chroma and Semrock offer filters with just
about whatever specifications (size and wavelengths) a customer pays
for. Be sure to get "out of band blocking" since even if you specify
emission filter, sometimes Production (at either place) does not always
do the obvious.

***

With respect to the user - unless they obtain an identically used
objective lens, equally poor shape laser(s), fibers, filters, etc, they
are not replicating the conditions.
Many LSM510's with 458 nm (Argon ion) lasers have a filter similar to BP
465-510 (even if not exactly identical). They may get superior results
with a filter already in your instrument. They would probably be better
off spending money on a brand new objective lens of whatever type is
going to give the best possible images at your place, instead of wasting
effort trying to replicate a potentially poor performing instrument.
Come to think of it, if they are serious about getting the best possible
data for their experiment, they should just buy you a Zeiss
LSM780/GaAsP, Leica SP8/HyD's (and confocal deconvolution software to
improve image quality from either - and fast computer to do it on) or
OMX Blaze R2 (sCMOS revision 2) with optimized lasers, filters, etc. If
they have that much money, they can also buy my core facility one of
these too, or a fully loaded Vutara SR-200 or Abberior RESOLT nanoscope
( http://www.abberior-instruments.net/home/ ).


George



On 1/28/2013 4:40 AM, Melia Paizi wrote:

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> Dear all,
>
> A user of our multi-user facility is determined to replicate the conditions
> of an experiment in an LSM system in another institution because they may
> have to continue the experiments there.
>
> We have not been able to locate a BP 465-510 filter to use in an emission
> filter wheel of our Zeiss LSM510 confocal scanhead.
>
> We have asked our Zeiss representative, Roche representative, Chroma,
> Semrock, the closest we have got is 490/43. In the scientific literature I
> can see BP 465-510 used but not where to obtain one. Any solid leads?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Melia Paizi, PhD
> Microscopy&  Imaging
> Core Facilty - Faculty of Medicine
> Technion - Israel Institute of Technology
>
>    

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Dear Confocal Listserv,

The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
on ORCID:

http://www.orcid.org/

"And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a
unique identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the
researcher to record their contributions: papers they have published and
--- a facility to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature
journals authors can link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript
submission and tracking system, and we will soon be publishing authors'
ORCIDs in papers. (Readers can register for ORCID here:
https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is
why Nature and the Nature journals have introduced two ways in which
referees can be given credit. Any referee who, in a given year, has
refereed three or more papers for any of the journals will receive a
letter acknowledging their contribution and a free subscription to their
choice of one of the journals."

My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976

I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara


***

The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:

"one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that
seems to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported
being injured in the lab"

Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".

Happy 2013,

George

p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
for everyone (good luck)

http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117

http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf

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Dear Group

This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The benefits or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like the idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this service and advise everyone else to do the same.

There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.

My 2c.

Cheers



On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara <[hidden email]> wrote:

> *****
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>
> Dear Confocal Listserv,
>
> The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is on ORCID:
>
> http://www.orcid.org/
>
> "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a unique identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors can link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and tracking system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers. (Readers can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee who, in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the journals will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
>
> My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
>
> I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
>
>
> ***
>
> The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
>
> "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that seems to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being injured in the lab"
>
> Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
>
> Happy 2013,
>
> George
>
> p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work for everyone (good luck)
>
> http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
>
> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf

Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
Medical Sciences Building
University of Bristol
Bristol
BS8 1TD UK

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Change will take place -- whether you deny or embrace it. This time, in
research ID and the way we publish.
Like many people don't like the idea of cell phone -- they regard this more
like a leash to kill your freedom, the beauty of connecting people (with a
phone number) is there. Of course, you don't have to remeber a series of
numbers; you still call people John Smith.
If we have accepted Linkedin and ResearchGate, both run by for profit
companies (well I am not so sure about ResearchGate), then why do we deny a
NPO? :)

Cheers,
Peng Xi
Ph. D.    Associate Professor
Dept. of Biomedical Engineering, College of Engineering
Peking University, Beijing, China
Tel: [phone]
Email: [hidden email]
http://bme.pku.edu.cn/~xipeng

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mark Cannell <[hidden email]>wrote:

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>
> Dear Group
>
> This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has
> cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of
> commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The benefits
> or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like the
> idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this service
> and advise everyone else to do the same.
>
> There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another
> company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.
>
> My 2c.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > *****
> >
> > Dear Confocal Listserv,
> >
> > The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
> on ORCID:
> >
> > http://www.orcid.org/
> >
> > "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
> Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
> ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
> assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a unique
> identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to
> record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility
> to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors can
> link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and tracking
> system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers. (Readers
> can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature
> 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have
> introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee who,
> in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the journals
> will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free
> subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
> >
> > My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
> >
> > I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
> page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
> >
> >
> > ***
> >
> > The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
> >
> > "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
> it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
> most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
> simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that seems
> to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being
> injured in the lab"
> >
> > Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
> >
> > Happy 2013,
> >
> > George
> >
> > p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
> for everyone (good luck)
> >
> > http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
> >
> >
> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf
>
> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
> School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
> Medical Sciences Building
> University of Bristol
> Bristol
> BS8 1TD UK
>
> [hidden email]
>

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It's business model is stated to be NPO -but it is incorporated. The profit can be paid to the originators in the form of executive remuneration to zero the accounts. Until it gets sold… There is no difference between this and (say) Facebook that I can see.

Cheers

On 29/01/2013, at 8:52 AM, Peng Xi <[hidden email]> wrote:

> *****
> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> *****
>
> Change will take place -- whether you deny or embrace it. This time, in
> research ID and the way we publish.
> Like many people don't like the idea of cell phone -- they regard this more
> like a leash to kill your freedom, the beauty of connecting people (with a
> phone number) is there. Of course, you don't have to remeber a series of
> numbers; you still call people John Smith.
> If we have accepted Linkedin and ResearchGate, both run by for profit
> companies (well I am not so sure about ResearchGate), then why do we deny a
> NPO? :)
>
> Cheers,
> Peng Xi
> Ph. D.    Associate Professor
> Dept. of Biomedical Engineering, College of Engineering
> Peking University, Beijing, China
> Tel: [phone]
> Email: [hidden email]
> http://bme.pku.edu.cn/~xipeng
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mark Cannell <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> *****
>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>> *****
>>
>> Dear Group
>>
>> This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has
>> cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of
>> commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The benefits
>> or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like the
>> idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this service
>> and advise everyone else to do the same.
>>
>> There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another
>> company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.
>>
>> My 2c.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *****
>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>> *****
>>>
>>> Dear Confocal Listserv,
>>>
>>> The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
>> on ORCID:
>>>
>>> http://www.orcid.org/
>>>
>>> "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
>> Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
>> ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
>> assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a unique
>> identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to
>> record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility
>> to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors can
>> link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and tracking
>> system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers. (Readers
>> can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature
>> 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have
>> introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee who,
>> in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the journals
>> will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free
>> subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
>>>
>>> My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
>>>
>>> I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
>> page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
>>>
>>> "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
>> it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
>> most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
>> simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that seems
>> to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being
>> injured in the lab"
>>>
>>> Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
>>>
>>> Happy 2013,
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
>> for everyone (good luck)
>>>
>>> http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf
>>
>> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
>> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
>> School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
>> Medical Sciences Building
>> University of Bristol
>> Bristol
>> BS8 1TD UK
>>
>> [hidden email]
>>

Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
Medical Sciences Building
University of Bristol
Bristol
BS8 1TD UK

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I was rather concerned about the spam too, and the board of ORCID is filled
with elsevier (my favourite company!). That said, there are also people
from PLOS and mendeley, albeit a minority. But as peng says, according to
their website it is a non-profit organization and that is what makes me
believe in it. That so many journals are on this makes me also think this
will succeed, unlike earlier attempts.

We already have IDs in use, our names. But it's a fragile system that
forces me to register my articles over and over again in all systems. With
a proper ID reference, maybe in the future I can even get married, change
my name, and people will still find my publications? I also have the most
common name in all of Sweden, which is not much of a help. By all means,
this should have happen 10 years ago. The discussion of publication metrics
is a totally separate issue, and has never been dependent on ORCID.

/Johan

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> *****
>
> Change will take place -- whether you deny or embrace it. This time, in
> research ID and the way we publish.
> Like many people don't like the idea of cell phone -- they regard this more
> like a leash to kill your freedom, the beauty of connecting people (with a
> phone number) is there. Of course, you don't have to remeber a series of
> numbers; you still call people John Smith.
> If we have accepted Linkedin and ResearchGate, both run by for profit
> companies (well I am not so sure about ResearchGate), then why do we deny a
> NPO? :)
>
> Cheers,
> Peng Xi
> Ph. D.    Associate Professor
> Dept. of Biomedical Engineering, College of Engineering
> Peking University, Beijing, China
> Tel: [phone]
> Email: [hidden email]
> http://bme.pku.edu.cn/~xipeng
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mark Cannell <[hidden email]
> >wrote:
>
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > *****
> >
> > Dear Group
> >
> > This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has
> > cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of
> > commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The
> benefits
> > or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like
> the
> > idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this
> service
> > and advise everyone else to do the same.
> >
> > There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another
> > company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.
> >
> > My 2c.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > *****
> > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > > *****
> > >
> > > Dear Confocal Listserv,
> > >
> > > The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
> > on ORCID:
> > >
> > > http://www.orcid.org/
> > >
> > > "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
> > Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
> > ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
> > assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a
> unique
> > identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to
> > record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility
> > to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors
> can
> > link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and
> tracking
> > system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers.
> (Readers
> > can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature
> > 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have
> > introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee
> who,
> > in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the
> journals
> > will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free
> > subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
> > >
> > > My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
> > >
> > > I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
> > page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
> > >
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
> > >
> > > "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
> > it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
> > most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
> > simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that
> seems
> > to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being
> > injured in the lab"
> > >
> > > Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
> > >
> > > Happy 2013,
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
> > for everyone (good luck)
> > >
> > > http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf
> >
> > Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
> > Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
> > School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
> > Medical Sciences Building
> > University of Bristol
> > Bristol
> > BS8 1TD UK
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
>

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[George McNamara]

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Hi Mark,

I disagree with your assessment that my message was "really spamming".
For one thing, most of the jobs I've had have been thanks to networking.
Linkedin helps with that. I came across ORCID because of the editorial
in Nature - a journal that most of the microscopists here would give
their 20x/0.8 NA lens to publish in.

As for profit vs "non-profit" - a couple of comments:

1. I believe addgene.org and ATCC were set up to be non-profits.
Depositing plasmids and cells, respectively, at central distribution
sites (companies) seems much more efficient than every lab sending
requests and/or stuff all over (for space reasons, I won't comment about
MTAs).

2. I worked at Applied Spectral Imaging Inc for ~2.5 years. The CEO was
Robert Buckwald - a serial entrepreneur. He had a great line: "A
company's moral obligation is to make a profit". I believe from his
perspective that a "non-profit company" is an oxymoron.

As for Facebook - I don't use it. However, I do use Microsoft Windows
and IE (and wish it was better) and Google (search, maps, Chrome) every
day, and Microsoft Word and Excel, Adobe Photoshop, and Molecular
Devices MetaMorph often. Also Microsoft ICE (image composite editor - a
no charge image stitcher) occasionally. I am generally impressed by
Google search, even though I am not paying for its access directly,


George



On 1/29/2013 4:06 AM, Mark Cannell wrote:

> *****
> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> *****
>
> It's business model is stated to be NPO -but it is incorporated. The profit can be paid to the originators in the form of executive remuneration to zero the accounts. Until it gets sold… There is no difference between this and (say) Facebook that I can see.
>
> Cheers
>
> On 29/01/2013, at 8:52 AM, Peng Xi<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>    
>> *****
>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>> *****
>>
>> Change will take place -- whether you deny or embrace it. This time, in
>> research ID and the way we publish.
>> Like many people don't like the idea of cell phone -- they regard this more
>> like a leash to kill your freedom, the beauty of connecting people (with a
>> phone number) is there. Of course, you don't have to remeber a series of
>> numbers; you still call people John Smith.
>> If we have accepted Linkedin and ResearchGate, both run by for profit
>> companies (well I am not so sure about ResearchGate), then why do we deny a
>> NPO? :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peng Xi
>> Ph. D.    Associate Professor
>> Dept. of Biomedical Engineering, College of Engineering
>> Peking University, Beijing, China
>> Tel: [phone]
>> Email: [hidden email]
>> http://bme.pku.edu.cn/~xipeng
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mark Cannell<[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> *****
>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>> *****
>>>
>>> Dear Group
>>>
>>> This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has
>>> cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of
>>> commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The benefits
>>> or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like the
>>> idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this service
>>> and advise everyone else to do the same.
>>>
>>> There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another
>>> company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.
>>>
>>> My 2c.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara<[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> *****
>>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>>> *****
>>>>
>>>> Dear Confocal Listserv,
>>>>
>>>> The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
>>>>          
>>> on ORCID:
>>>        
>>>> http://www.orcid.org/
>>>>
>>>> "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
>>>>          
>>> Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
>>> ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
>>> assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a unique
>>> identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to
>>> record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility
>>> to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors can
>>> link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and tracking
>>> system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers. (Readers
>>> can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature
>>> 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have
>>> introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee who,
>>> in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the journals
>>> will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free
>>> subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
>>>        
>>>> My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
>>>>
>>>> I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
>>>>          
>>> page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
>>>        
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
>>>>
>>>> "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
>>>>          
>>> it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
>>> most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
>>> simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that seems
>>> to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being
>>> injured in the lab"
>>>        
>>>> Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
>>>>
>>>> Happy 2013,
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
>>>>          
>>> for everyone (good luck)
>>>        
>>>> http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf
>>>
>>> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
>>> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
>>> School of Physiology&   Pharmacology
>>> Medical Sciences Building
>>> University of Bristol
>>> Bristol
>>> BS8 1TD UK
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>>        
> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
> School of Physiology&   Pharmacology
> Medical Sciences Building
> University of Bristol
> Bristol
> BS8 1TD UK
>
> [hidden email]
>
>    

[Mark Cannell-2]

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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
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Hi George

I appreciate it was not your intent to promote a for profit company. But most people don't understand that a not for profit (NOP) is not a charity. NOPs can make a lot of money for their creators, they just don't have share holders (yet -and that is a common exit strategy). In a company such as this it is the exit strategy that drives their creation and in this case they will use millions of hours of scientists time to generate their value and in exchange give what, a number? This is simply not acceptable IMHO. If disambiguation of researcher identity has suddenly become such an issue I would expect the major funders to address this… Frankly I think this need for disambiguation is rubbish (do you think that grants will suddenly not require you to identify your outputs etc) but is is certainly a company that looks to make someone rich in a few years… when they've embedded their id's everywhere.

Cheers Mark


On 29/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, George McNamara <[hidden email]> wrote:

> *****
> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> *****
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I disagree with your assessment that my message was "really spamming". For one thing, most of the jobs I've had have been thanks to networking. Linkedin helps with that. I came across ORCID because of the editorial in Nature - a journal that most of the microscopists here would give their 20x/0.8 NA lens to publish in.
>
> As for profit vs "non-profit" - a couple of comments:
>
> 1. I believe addgene.org and ATCC were set up to be non-profits. Depositing plasmids and cells, respectively, at central distribution sites (companies) seems much more efficient than every lab sending requests and/or stuff all over (for space reasons, I won't comment about MTAs).
>
> 2. I worked at Applied Spectral Imaging Inc for ~2.5 years. The CEO was Robert Buckwald - a serial entrepreneur. He had a great line: "A company's moral obligation is to make a profit". I believe from his perspective that a "non-profit company" is an oxymoron.
>
> As for Facebook - I don't use it. However, I do use Microsoft Windows and IE (and wish it was better) and Google (search, maps, Chrome) every day, and Microsoft Word and Excel, Adobe Photoshop, and Molecular Devices MetaMorph often. Also Microsoft ICE (image composite editor - a no charge image stitcher) occasionally. I am generally impressed by Google search, even though I am not paying for its access directly,
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> On 1/29/2013 4:06 AM, Mark Cannell wrote:
>> *****
>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>> *****
>>
>> It's business model is stated to be NPO -but it is incorporated. The profit can be paid to the originators in the form of executive remuneration to zero the accounts. Until it gets sold… There is no difference between this and (say) Facebook that I can see.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 29/01/2013, at 8:52 AM, Peng Xi<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> *****
>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>> *****
>>>
>>> Change will take place -- whether you deny or embrace it. This time, in
>>> research ID and the way we publish.
>>> Like many people don't like the idea of cell phone -- they regard this more
>>> like a leash to kill your freedom, the beauty of connecting people (with a
>>> phone number) is there. Of course, you don't have to remeber a series of
>>> numbers; you still call people John Smith.
>>> If we have accepted Linkedin and ResearchGate, both run by for profit
>>> companies (well I am not so sure about ResearchGate), then why do we deny a
>>> NPO? :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Peng Xi
>>> Ph. D.    Associate Professor
>>> Dept. of Biomedical Engineering, College of Engineering
>>> Peking University, Beijing, China
>>> Tel: [phone]
>>> Email: [hidden email]
>>> http://bme.pku.edu.cn/~xipeng
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mark Cannell<[hidden email]>wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>> *****
>>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>>> *****
>>>>
>>>> Dear Group
>>>>
>>>> This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has
>>>> cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of
>>>> commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The benefits
>>>> or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like the
>>>> idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this service
>>>> and advise everyone else to do the same.
>>>>
>>>> There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another
>>>> company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.
>>>>
>>>> My 2c.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara<[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>> *****
>>>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>>>> *****
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Confocal Listserv,
>>>>>
>>>>> The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
>>>>>        
>>>> on ORCID:
>>>>      
>>>>> http://www.orcid.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
>>>>>        
>>>> Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
>>>> ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
>>>> assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a unique
>>>> identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to
>>>> record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility
>>>> to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors can
>>>> link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and tracking
>>>> system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers. (Readers
>>>> can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature
>>>> 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have
>>>> introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee who,
>>>> in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the journals
>>>> will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free
>>>> subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
>>>>      
>>>>> My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
>>>>>
>>>>> I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
>>>>>        
>>>> page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>> ***
>>>>>
>>>>> The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
>>>>>
>>>>> "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
>>>>>        
>>>> it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
>>>> most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
>>>> simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that seems
>>>> to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being
>>>> injured in the lab"
>>>>      
>>>>> Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy 2013,
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
>>>>>        
>>>> for everyone (good luck)
>>>>      
>>>>> http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
>>>> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
>>>> School of Physiology&   Pharmacology
>>>> Medical Sciences Building
>>>> University of Bristol
>>>> Bristol
>>>> BS8 1TD UK
>>>>
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>>      
>> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
>> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
>> School of Physiology&   Pharmacology
>> Medical Sciences Building
>> University of Bristol
>> Bristol
>> BS8 1TD UK
>>
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>  

Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
Medical Sciences Building
University of Bristol
Bristol
BS8 1TD UK

[hidden email]

[Mark Cannell-2]

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As a simple existing alternative why not just use the URL to your research gate profile (or google scholar profile etc.).

Cheers

On 29/01/2013, at 1:07 PM, Mark Cannell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> *****
> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> *****
>
> Hi George
>
> I appreciate it was not your intent to promote a for profit company. But most people don't understand that a not for profit (NOP) is not a charity. NOPs can make a lot of money for their creators, they just don't have share holders (yet -and that is a common exit strategy). In a company such as this it is the exit strategy that drives their creation and in this case they will use millions of hours of scientists time to generate their value and in exchange give what, a number? This is simply not acceptable IMHO. If disambiguation of researcher identity has suddenly become such an issue I would expect the major funders to address this… Frankly I think this need for disambiguation is rubbish (do you think that grants will suddenly not require you to identify your outputs etc) but is is certainly a company that looks to make someone rich in a few years… when they've embedded their id's everywhere.
>
> Cheers Mark
>
>
> On 29/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, George McNamara <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> *****
>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>> *****
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I disagree with your assessment that my message was "really spamming". For one thing, most of the jobs I've had have been thanks to networking. Linkedin helps with that. I came across ORCID because of the editorial in Nature - a journal that most of the microscopists here would give their 20x/0.8 NA lens to publish in.
>>
>> As for profit vs "non-profit" - a couple of comments:
>>
>> 1. I believe addgene.org and ATCC were set up to be non-profits. Depositing plasmids and cells, respectively, at central distribution sites (companies) seems much more efficient than every lab sending requests and/or stuff all over (for space reasons, I won't comment about MTAs).
>>
>> 2. I worked at Applied Spectral Imaging Inc for ~2.5 years. The CEO was Robert Buckwald - a serial entrepreneur. He had a great line: "A company's moral obligation is to make a profit". I believe from his perspective that a "non-profit company" is an oxymoron.
>>
>> As for Facebook - I don't use it. However, I do use Microsoft Windows and IE (and wish it was better) and Google (search, maps, Chrome) every day, and Microsoft Word and Excel, Adobe Photoshop, and Molecular Devices MetaMorph often. Also Microsoft ICE (image composite editor - a no charge image stitcher) occasionally. I am generally impressed by Google search, even though I am not paying for its access directly,
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/29/2013 4:06 AM, Mark Cannell wrote:
>>> *****
>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>> *****
>>>
>>> It's business model is stated to be NPO -but it is incorporated. The profit can be paid to the originators in the form of executive remuneration to zero the accounts. Until it gets sold… There is no difference between this and (say) Facebook that I can see.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 29/01/2013, at 8:52 AM, Peng Xi<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> *****
>>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>>> *****
>>>>
>>>> Change will take place -- whether you deny or embrace it. This time, in
>>>> research ID and the way we publish.
>>>> Like many people don't like the idea of cell phone -- they regard this more
>>>> like a leash to kill your freedom, the beauty of connecting people (with a
>>>> phone number) is there. Of course, you don't have to remeber a series of
>>>> numbers; you still call people John Smith.
>>>> If we have accepted Linkedin and ResearchGate, both run by for profit
>>>> companies (well I am not so sure about ResearchGate), then why do we deny a
>>>> NPO? :)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Peng Xi
>>>> Ph. D.    Associate Professor
>>>> Dept. of Biomedical Engineering, College of Engineering
>>>> Peking University, Beijing, China
>>>> Tel: [phone]
>>>> Email: [hidden email]
>>>> http://bme.pku.edu.cn/~xipeng
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mark Cannell<[hidden email]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> *****
>>>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>>>> *****
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Group
>>>>>
>>>>> This message is really spamming. Let us be quite clear ORCID Inc. has
>>>>> cleverly hoodwinked you and others to providing it information of
>>>>> commercial value as well as placing cookies on your computer. The benefits
>>>>> or needs of a unique researcher ID are unclear and frankly I don't like the
>>>>> idea of reducing human identities to a number. I will boycott this service
>>>>> and advise everyone else to do the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is already research gate and linked in and this is just another
>>>>> company exploiting our good will for dubious benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2c.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/01/2013, at 2:25 AM, George McNamara<[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> *****
>>>>>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>>>>> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
>>>>>> *****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Confocal Listserv,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The January 3, 2013 Nature has two editorials of interest. the first is
>>>>>>
>>>>> on ORCID:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.orcid.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "And here is where last year's launch of the Open Researcher and
>>>>>>
>>>>> Contributor ID (ORCID) facility is to be welcomed. The core function of
>>>>> ORCID --- a community collaboration (see go.nature.com/sy3qnp) --- is to
>>>>> assign every researcher a number and a web page, thereby providing a unique
>>>>> identifier and so disambiguation. The web page enables the researcher to
>>>>> record their contributions: papers they have published and --- a facility
>>>>> to come --- their research grants and patents. Nature journals authors can
>>>>> link their ORCID to their account in our manuscript submission and tracking
>>>>> system, and we will soon be publishing authors' ORCIDs in papers. (Readers
>>>>> can register for ORCID here: https://orcid.org/register; see also Nature
>>>>> 485, 564; 2012.) ... That is why Nature and the Nature journals have
>>>>> introduced two ways in which referees can be given credit. Any referee who,
>>>>> in a given year, has refereed three or more papers for any of the journals
>>>>> will receive a letter acknowledging their contribution and a free
>>>>> subscription to their choice of one of the journals."
>>>>>
>>>>>> My ORCID is 0000-0003-4155-0976
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will add my ORCID to my NIH Biosketch. I already crosslinked my ORCID
>>>>>>
>>>>> page with my linkedin profile   www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second - likely more important! - is on lab safety:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "one-third of scientists say that safety is more important to them than
>>>>>>
>>>>> it is to their colleagues, with only  2% voting the other way. Although
>>>>> most respondents say that their labs are safe places to work, they
>>>>> simultaneously report behaviour, such as frequent lone working, that seems
>>>>> to belie that confidence ...  almost half the respondents reported being
>>>>> injured in the lab"
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which reminds me: "Do not look at laser with remaining eye!".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy 2013,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. I don't know if this web links to the Nature Editorial will work
>>>>>>
>>>>> for everyone (good luck)
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nature.com/news/in-search-of-credit-1.12117
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.12117!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/493005a.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
>>>>> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
>>>>> School of Physiology&   Pharmacology
>>>>> Medical Sciences Building
>>>>> University of Bristol
>>>>> Bristol
>>>>> BS8 1TD UK
>>>>>
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
>>> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
>>> School of Physiology&   Pharmacology
>>> Medical Sciences Building
>>> University of Bristol
>>> Bristol
>>> BS8 1TD UK
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>
> Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
> Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
> School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
> Medical Sciences Building
> University of Bristol
> Bristol
> BS8 1TD UK
>
> [hidden email]

Mark  B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ
Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology
School of Physiology&  Pharmacology
Medical Sciences Building
University of Bristol
Bristol
BS8 1TD UK

[hidden email]