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To All,
 
- Setup did not register components correctly - fixed
 
Deconvolve is a windowsXP/2000/2003 program that performs batch restorations of 3D/2D confocal and widefield fluorescence images using Huygens2 from ©<A title="blocked::http://www.svi.nl/&#10;http://www.svi.nl/" href="blocked::http://www.svi.nl/" target=_blank>SVI on a remote computer.
 
The program supports 1 or 3 channels 2D/3D ICS (version1) and 1 or 3 channels 2D/3D TIFF files both in 8 or 16 bits per channel.
Remote operation is done with a SSH or Telnet connecting. File transfer can be SFTP, FTP or SMB/Samba.
At my lab, this progam is already been used for years, we use Hugens2 for more then 10 years.
 
You can download it from:
  
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Look for the program "Deconvolve". Huygens2 from SVI can be obtained from:
 
<A title="blocked::http://www.svi.nl/&#10;http://www.svi.nl/" href="blocked::http://www.svi.nl/">http://www.svi.nl 
 
Please mail me with, suggestions and when reporting bugs.
 
Ron Hoebe
 
P.S. This program is Public domain (see comments on the website).
 
OpenSSH (Includes SSH and SFTP) for windows
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Non-arc source for IX-81

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Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with  
a non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for  
experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance  
on a laser scanning confocal installation.

Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
Thanks,
Glen



Glen MacDonald
Core for Communication Research
Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center
Box 357923
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
(206) 616-4156
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Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

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We looked somewhat into using LEDs as general purpose fluorescence and
illumination lamps a while back.  It basically boils down to the
wavelengths you need to access with your lamp.  A white LED will get
much of the visible spectrum, for instance, but if you are imaging
something with a UV-responsive dye you will need a different LED.

Craig


On 11/5/07, Glen MacDonald <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
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>
> Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with
> a non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for
> experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance
> on a laser scanning confocal installation.
>
> Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
>
> Glen MacDonald
> Core for Communication Research
> Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center
> Box 357923
> University of Washington
> Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
> (206) 616-4156
> [hidden email]
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Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

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Hi Glen, 

Not an Olympus IX-81, but we have an EXFO 120W high-pressure mercury halide lamp for viewing fluorescence on a Zeiss LSM (Axiovert 200 stand). We like this lamp for several reasons:

1,000-1,5000 lifetime (typically, one lamp lasts 8-12 months; power starts to decline after ~ 1,000 hours, but lamp remains useable until about 1,500 hours), easy to install and does not require alignment, quite bright, built-in aperture that allows to control illumination intensity, removes heat source away from microscope (lamp is located inside power supply module and channeled through a fiber into the microscope), built-in safety device prevents turning lamp ON while still hot. 

We have not used this lamp for imaging, so I don't know if it is as bright or stable as a conventional mercury lamp, but it does look quite bright to me. We normally set the lamp aperture to 1-2 (out of five, with five being the brightest setting) for viewing samples. In terms of stability, it does show a decline over time, especially past 1,000 hours.

The system is maybe ~ $ 2,000 more than conventional mercury lamp system at purchase.  Lamps cost about $ 650.00, that is about $ 0.50 / hour... in the same ballpark as mercury lamps


Also, I should mention that Applied Precision now report using a 250 W Xenon  lamp on their DeltaVision system. Don't know any specifics, but I suppose they saw advantages compared to the HBO lamp.

Julio.
--
Julio Vazquez
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center
Seattle, WA 98109-1024





On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Glen MacDonald wrote:

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Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with a non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance on a laser scanning confocal installation.

Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
Thanks,
Glen



Glen MacDonald
Core for Communication Research
Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center
Box 357923
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
(206) 616-4156

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Hi Glen,

My thesis project involves modification of a fluorescence microscope  
for a specialized type of measurement, and as such I'm usually  
ordering optical prototyping equipment from Thorlabs. I noticed  
recently they've introduced full LED microscope illumination  
attachments  which can fit to the back epi-illumination port of  
microscopes made by all of the major microscope manufacturers. I've  
never had the chance to try them, so I can't comment on how well they  
light up a sample. They might be worth checking out though.

Here's the link:

http://www.thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage9.cfm?
ObjectGroup_ID=2615&visNavID=223

John Oreopoulos, BSc,
PhD Candidate
University of Toronto
Institute For Biomaterials and Biomedical Engineering
Centre For Studies in Molecular Imaging

Tel: W:416-946-5022



On 5-Nov-07, at 2:02 PM, Glen MacDonald wrote:

> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
> Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81  
> with a non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking  
> for experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and  
> performance on a laser scanning confocal installation.
>
> Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
>
> Glen MacDonald
> Core for Communication Research
> Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center
> Box 357923
> University of Washington
> Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
> (206) 616-4156
> [hidden email]
>
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Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 COMMERCIAL RESPONSE

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Hello All,

Andor Technology sells the Cairn LEDs
(http://www.cairnweb.com/newsletter/optoled.html).  They provide the
following wavelengths as indicated on the attached
 

370nm - ultraviolet

400nm - ultraviolet/blue

455nm - royal blue

470nm - blue

505nm - cyan

530nm - green

590nm - amber

617nm - red/orange

627nm - red

 

Our cameras and acquisition/processing software have the ability to
modulate the wavelengths.

 

Please feel free to contact me with any additional questions.


Best,

 

Gary Laevsky, Ph.D.

Imaging Application Specialist

 

Andor Technology

discover new ways of seeing

 

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Cell (774) 291 - 9992
Office (860) 290 - 9211 x219
Fax (860) 290 - 9566
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Behalf Of John Oreopoulos
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:32 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

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Hi Glen,

My thesis project involves modification of a fluorescence microscope  
for a specialized type of measurement, and as such I'm usually  
ordering optical prototyping equipment from Thorlabs. I noticed  
recently they've introduced full LED microscope illumination  
attachments  which can fit to the back epi-illumination port of  
microscopes made by all of the major microscope manufacturers. I've  
never had the chance to try them, so I can't comment on how well they  
light up a sample. They might be worth checking out though.

Here's the link:

http://www.thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage9.cfm?
ObjectGroup_ID=2615&visNavID=223

John Oreopoulos, BSc,
PhD Candidate
University of Toronto
Institute For Biomaterials and Biomedical Engineering
Centre For Studies in Molecular Imaging

Tel: W:416-946-5022



On 5-Nov-07, at 2:02 PM, Glen MacDonald wrote:

> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
> Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81  
> with a non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking  
> for experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and  
> performance on a laser scanning confocal installation.
>
> Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
>
> Glen MacDonald
> Core for Communication Research
> Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center
> Box 357923
> University of Washington
> Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
> (206) 616-4156
> [hidden email]
>
> **********************************************************************

> ********
> The box said "Requires WindowsXP or better", so I bought a Macintosh.
> **********************************************************************

> ********
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Hi Glen,
The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
choice of wavelengths and intensity.
I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
very cost effective replacement to bulbs.  
Commercial bit:
We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
595nm, and 635nm.
I will contact you directly with more commercial information.

Best Regards,

Gerry

Gerard Whoriskey
Development Engineer
CoolLED Ltd
CIL House
Charlton Road
Andover
Hampshire
SP10 3JL
 
Mob: 07789535762
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Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
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Hi,

I find LED-based illumination an important
advance for fluorescence microscopy. For in vivo
work, I guess that LED-based systems will be more
popular when existing "LED lines" more precisely
match excitation maxima of currently used
fluorescent proteins, especially CyanFP.

best regards,


At 15:02 06/11/2007, you wrote:

>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
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>
>Hi Glen,
>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>Commercial bit:
>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>595nm, and 635nm.
>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Gerry
>
>Gerard Whoriskey
>Development Engineer
>CoolLED Ltd
>CIL House
>Charlton Road
>Andover
>Hampshire
>SP10 3JL
>
>Mob: 07789535762
>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>web site: www.coolled.com

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Facultad de Ciencias, Universidad Autónoma
Ctra Colmenar Viejo Km 15
Cantoblanco, 28049 Madrid
SPAIN

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Hi Glen,

We have replaced the arc-lamps on 2 of our facilities Zeiss confocals
now 6 month ago by the CoolLED Ltd solution. We use 400nm,  465nm,  and
525nm, and it works well (no complaints from users so far). We modified
the filtercubes to have max ex efficiency. I understood CoolLEDs are
also sold with Olympus adapters.

cheers, jens
 
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Email:rietdorf(at)fmi.ch

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Sent: Montag, 5. November 2007 20:02
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Subject: Non-arc source for IX-81

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Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with a
non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for
experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance on a
laser scanning confocal installation.

Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
Thanks,
Glen



Glen MacDonald
Core for Communication Research
Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center Box 357923 University
of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
(206) 616-4156
[hidden email]

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As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system in particular.

Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm), Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red (630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars. 

Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17 different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have begun work on an epi version as well. 

As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.  
Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of 200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others) 30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments. 
When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no disposal issue. 
The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp: 
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024            Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48            Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012

One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so there is dramatically less photobleaching.

The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of. 
Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new, brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.

The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to another
b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on "lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3 cassette system. 
d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one... Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs. 

That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster, President

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At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:
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Hi Glen,
The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
choice of wavelengths and intensity.
I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
very cost effective replacement to bulbs. 
Commercial bit:
We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
595nm, and 635nm.
I will contact you directly with more commercial information.

Best Regards,

Gerry

Gerard Whoriskey
Development Engineer
CoolLED Ltd
CIL House
Charlton Road
Andover
Hampshire
SP10 3JL
 
Mob: 07789535762
Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
web site: www.coolled.com
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Hello, you should also check out the new illuminator from Chroma. It is just like the Exfo only twice as powerful!

http://www.chroma.com/

 

 

Brian D Armstrong PhD

Light Microscopy Core Manager

Beckman Research Institute

City of Hope

1450 E Duarte Rd

Duarte, CA 91010

626-359-8111 x62872

http://www.cityofhope.org/SharedResources/LightMicroscopy

 


From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Julio Vazquez
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:35 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

 

=

Hi Glen, 

 

Not an Olympus IX-81, but we have an EXFO 120W high-pressure mercury halide lamp for viewing fluorescence on a Zeiss LSM (Axiovert 200 stand). We like this lamp for several reasons:

 

1,000-1,5000 lifetime (typically, one lamp lasts 8-12 months; power starts to decline after ~ 1,000 hours, but lamp remains useable until about 1,500 hours), easy to install and does not require alignment, quite bright, built-in aperture that allows to control illumination intensity, removes heat source away from microscope (lamp is located inside power supply module and channeled through a fiber into the microscope), built-in safety device prevents turning lamp ON while still hot. 

 

We have not used this lamp for imaging, so I don't know if it is as bright or stable as a conventional mercury lamp, but it does look quite bright to me. We normally set the lamp aperture to 1-2 (out of five, with five being the brightest setting) for viewing samples. In terms of stability, it does show a decline over time, especially past 1,000 hours.

 

The system is maybe ~ $ 2,000 more than conventional mercury lamp system at purchase.  Lamps cost about $ 650.00, that is about $ 0.50 / hour... in the same ballpark as mercury lamps

 

 

Also, I should mention that Applied Precision now report using a 250 W Xenon  lamp on their DeltaVision system. Don't know any specifics, but I suppose they saw advantages compared to the HBO lamp.

 

Julio.

--

Julio Vazquez

Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center

Seattle, WA 98109-1024

 

 

 

 

 

On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Glen MacDonald wrote:



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Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with a non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance on a laser scanning confocal installation.

 

Off-line commercial responses are welcome.

Thanks,

Glen

 

 

 

Glen MacDonald

Core for Communication Research

Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center

Box 357923

University of Washington

Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA

(206) 616-4156

 

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Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

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Dear Jens,
How well do red fluorescing dyes respond to the 525, or do you  
routinely use those wavelengths?
Did you use their API to incorporate wavelength switching with the  
LSM software?

Regards,
Glen
On Nov 6, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Rietdorf, Jens wrote:

> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
> Hi Glen,
>
> We have replaced the arc-lamps on 2 of our facilities Zeiss confocals
> now 6 month ago by the CoolLED Ltd solution. We use 400nm,  465nm,  
> and
> 525nm, and it works well (no complaints from users so far). We  
> modified
> the filtercubes to have max ex efficiency. I understood CoolLEDs are
> also sold with Olympus adapters.
>
> cheers, jens
>
> ---
> Dr. Jens Rietdorf
> Head Microscopy
> Novartis Research Foundation
> Friedrich-Miescher-Institute, wro1066.2.32
> Maulbeerstr.66, CH-4058 Basel, Switzerland
> phone +41(61)69-75172 mobil +41 798284737
> Email:rietdorf(at)fmi.ch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Confocal Microscopy List  
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Glen MacDonald
> Sent: Montag, 5. November 2007 20:02
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Non-arc source for IX-81
>
> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
> Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with a
> non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for
> experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance  
> on a
> laser scanning confocal installation.
>
> Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
>
> Glen MacDonald
> Core for Communication Research
> Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center Box 357923 University
> of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
> (206) 616-4156
> [hidden email]
>
> **********************************************************************
> **
> ******
> The box said "Requires WindowsXP or better", so I bought a Macintosh.
> **********************************************************************
> **
> ******
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Re: LED price ?

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re the informative posting on LEDs by Barbara Foster

catalogue prices for LEDs seem to be very low, so how come
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720   ?  
which seems to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

In addition you would need to purchase several LEDs


 


Jeremy Adler
Cell Biology
The Wenner-Gren Inst.
Arrhenius Laboratories E5
Stockholm University
Stockholm 106 91
Sweden



-----Original Message-----
From: Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Barbara Foster
Sent: Tue 06/11/2007 17:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 - semi commercial
 
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Dear Glen

As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
in particular.

Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
(630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of
the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.

Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
begun work on an epi version as well.

As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
disposal issue.
The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012

One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
there is dramatically less photobleaching.

The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for
green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.

The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to another
b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
"lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
cassette system.
d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.

That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
in the MME office for details.










At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:

>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>Hi Glen,
>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>Commercial bit:
>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>595nm, and 635nm.
>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Gerry
>
>Gerard Whoriskey
>Development Engineer
>CoolLED Ltd
>CIL House
>Charlton Road
>Andover
>Hampshire
>SP10 3JL
>
>Mob: 07789535762
>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>web site: www.coolled.com
Rietdorf, Jens Rietdorf, Jens
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Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

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Dear Glen,

The FWHM of the 525nm LED is about 50nm, its working for Alexa546,
Alexa568, Cy3, Cy3.5 etc.
We don't control it from the LSM software.

regards, jens

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Sent: Dienstag, 6. November 2007 17:59
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Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81

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Dear Jens,
How well do red fluorescing dyes respond to the 525, or do you routinely
use those wavelengths?
Did you use their API to incorporate wavelength switching with the LSM
software?

Regards,
Glen
On Nov 6, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Rietdorf, Jens wrote:

> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
> Hi Glen,
>
> We have replaced the arc-lamps on 2 of our facilities Zeiss confocals
> now 6 month ago by the CoolLED Ltd solution. We use 400nm,  465nm,  
> and
> 525nm, and it works well (no complaints from users so far). We
> modified the filtercubes to have max ex efficiency. I understood
> CoolLEDs are also sold with Olympus adapters.
>
> cheers, jens
>
> ---
> Dr. Jens Rietdorf
> Head Microscopy
> Novartis Research Foundation
> Friedrich-Miescher-Institute, wro1066.2.32 Maulbeerstr.66, CH-4058
> Basel, Switzerland phone +41(61)69-75172 mobil +41 798284737
> Email:rietdorf(at)fmi.ch
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Confocal Microscopy List
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Glen MacDonald
> Sent: Montag, 5. November 2007 20:02
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Non-arc source for IX-81
>
> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
> Has anyone replaced the mercury illuminator on an Olympus IX-81 with a

> non-arc source such as metal-halogen or LED?  I'm looking for
> experiences regarding reliability, operational cost and performance on

> a laser scanning confocal installation.
>
> Off-line commercial responses are welcome.
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
>
>
> Glen MacDonald
> Core for Communication Research
> Virginia Merrill Bloedel Hearing Research Center Box 357923 University

> of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-7923  USA
> (206) 616-4156
> [hidden email]
>
> **********************************************************************
> **
> ******
> The box said "Requires WindowsXP or better", so I bought a Macintosh.
> **********************************************************************
> **
> ******
Chris Wood-5 Chris Wood-5
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We've been using LEDs in place of mercury lamps for around 4 years now,
and I can't see us ever going back to mercury lamps. They were absolutely
essential for what we were trying to do, which is measure Ca2+
fluctuations in the beating flagella of motile sperm - picking up a signal
from a sub-micron structure flailing around at 40-50 cycles per second was
no mean feat. Our only hope was stroboscopic epifluorescence, and LEDs
offered the perfect solution. Using them in pulsed mode we overdrove the
current 10x to maximise excitation, then set a illumination pulse duration
of 1 - 2 ms and streamed as fast as we could.  The frame rate limitation
therefore boils down to how fast the camera empties its chip.  We've
published a few articles with frame rates around 40 per s using a Quantix
57, but a while ago we upgraded to an iXon 887 and now we're routinely
collecting full frame epifluorescence images at around 200-400 fps.

Apart from the stroboscopic aspect allowing us to freeze flagellar
motility, another big advantage for us has been minimising photobleaching
and phototoxicity (to which sperm are extremely sensitive).  Because the
illumination lasts 1-2 ms and the LED is switched off during the chip read-
out, the sperm are illuminated for only a small fraction of the duty
cycle.  Even at extremely high frame rates, 250 fps say, we reduce overall
illumination times during an experiment by 75% compared to an HBO lamp.  
At slower frame rates (40fps) the reduction was around 96%. Shuttering an
HBO lamp at these sort of frame rates is not a viable alternative believe
me. We published a technical note last year outlining these benefits
(Nishigaki et al, Biotechniques 41:191-7), I recommend a look at the
movies comparing the phototoxicty of the two techniques, it's an
impressive difference.

The system we built ourselves as there was no commercial option four years
ago, but it's essentially the same implementation as the OptoLED from
Cairn Research. Another group in our Institute has one of these on order
so I'll be nosing around once it arrives. Zeiss have implemented their own
LED illumination module, called the Colibri, but when I heard the price I
must confess my jaw hit the floor.

To sum up, we now use LED illumination on all our 'scopes, not just for
the sperm motility work but for all our routine epifluorescence. As I said
I can't see why we would ever go back to the arc lamps. LEDs will very
soon become the routine choice, and the technology is advancing fast.

Saludos

Chris

Dr Chris Wood
Instituto de Biotecnología
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Av. Universidad 2001
Col. Chamilpa
Cuernavaca 62150
Morelos
México

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:27:39 -0600, Barbara Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>Dear Glen
>
>As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
>technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
>technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
>AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
>of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
>Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
>technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
>observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
>in particular.
>
>Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
>Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
>(630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
>you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of
>the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
>gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.
>
>Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
>transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
>different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
>smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
>been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
>a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
>black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
>releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
>begun work on an epi version as well.
>
>As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
>The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
>LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
>them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
>Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
>factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
>200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
>30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
>a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
>plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
>significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
>When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
>disposal issue.
>The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
>did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
>standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
>Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
>Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
>Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
>Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
>Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
>Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012
>
>One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
>there is dramatically less photobleaching.
>
>The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
>Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
>generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
>bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
>fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
>routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
>is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for
>green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
>brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
>is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
>better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.
>
>The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
>a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
>have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to
another

>b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
>easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
>of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
>fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
>"lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
>needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
>approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
>to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
>area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
>plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
>screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
>c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
>controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
>to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
>position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
>cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
>cassette system.
>d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
>you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
>e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
>Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
>blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.
>
>That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
>week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.
>
>Best regards,
>Barbara Foster, President
>
>We've moved!
>Microscopy/Microscopy Education
>7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
>McKinney TX 75070
>P: (972)924-5310
>Skype: fostermme
>W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com
>
>
>MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
>December.  Call us today for details.
>
>P. S.
>Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
>semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
>Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
>class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
>in the MME office for details.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:
>>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>>http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>
>>Hi Glen,
>>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and
operational
>>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured
in
>>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury
based

>>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>>Commercial bit:
>>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>>595nm, and 635nm.
>>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Gerry
>>
>>Gerard Whoriskey
>>Development Engineer
>>CoolLED Ltd
>>CIL House
>>Charlton Road
>>Andover
>>Hampshire
>>SP10 3JL
>>
>>Mob: 07789535762
>>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>>web site: www.coolled.com
>
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Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal Hi, Jeremy

The price is for an LED cassette, which includes intelligent electronics.  Since each LED requires a specific voltage to drive it, the ability for the system to sense which LED cassette has been inserted is critical, especially for 2-channel or 3-channel imaging.  And yes, you would have to buy several LED cassettes.  However, when you consider that the lifetime is in excess of 30,000 hrs (I spoke to a diagnostic company yesterday who OEMs this system and they told me that, in practice, it was often in excess of 50,000 hrs) and there is often a better S/N ratio, it's not a very big investment compared to a mercury arc.

Hope this was helpful,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here in the MME office for details.

At 05:06 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal


re the informative posting on LEDs by Barbara Foster

catalogue prices for LEDs seem to be very low, so how come
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720   ?  
which seems to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

In addition you would need to purchase several LEDs


 


Jeremy Adler
Cell Biology
The Wenner-Gren Inst.
Arrhenius Laboratories E5
Stockholm University
Stockholm 106 91
Sweden



-----Original Message-----
From: Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Barbara Foster
Sent: Tue 06/11/2007 17:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 - semi commercial
 
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Dear Glen

As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
in particular.

Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
(630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of
the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.

Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
begun work on an epi version as well.

As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
disposal issue.
The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012

One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
there is dramatically less photobleaching.

The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for
green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.

The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to another
b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
"lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
cassette system.
d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.

That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
in the MME office for details.










At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:
>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>Hi Glen,
>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>Commercial bit:
>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>595nm, and 635nm.
>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Gerry
>
>Gerard Whoriskey
>Development Engineer
>CoolLED Ltd
>CIL House
>Charlton Road
>Andover
>Hampshire
>SP10 3JL
>
>Mob: 07789535762
>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>web site: www.coolled.com
Craig Brideau Craig Brideau
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Re: LED price ?

Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal While different color LEDs usually require different voltages, they tend to have similar current requirements.  Why doesn't somebody just throw together a constant current source?  Then it wouldn't matter what LED you plug into it as such a source intrinsically adjusts its voltage.

Craig


On Nov 7, 2007 11:11 AM, Barbara Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Jeremy

The price is for an LED cassette, which includes intelligent electronics.  Since each LED requires a specific voltage to drive it, the ability for the system to sense which LED cassette has been inserted is critical, especially for 2-channel or 3-channel imaging.  And yes, you would have to buy several LED cassettes.  However, when you consider that the lifetime is in excess of 30,000 hrs (I spoke to a diagnostic company yesterday who OEMs this system and they told me that, in practice, it was often in excess of 50,000 hrs) and there is often a better S/N ratio, it's not a very big investment compared to a mercury arc.

Hope this was helpful,

Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here in the MME office for details.

At 05:06 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal


re the informative posting on LEDs by Barbara Foster

catalogue prices for LEDs seem to be very low, so how come
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720   ?  
which seems to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

In addition you would need to purchase several LEDs


 


Jeremy Adler
Cell Biology
The Wenner-Gren Inst.
Arrhenius Laboratories E5
Stockholm University
Stockholm 106 91
Sweden



-----Original Message-----
From: Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Barbara Foster
Sent: Tue 06/11/2007 17:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 - semi commercial
 
Search the CONFOCAL archive at
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal

Dear Glen

As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
in particular.

Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
(630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of
the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.

Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
begun work on an epi version as well.

As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
disposal issue.
The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012

One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
there is dramatically less photobleaching.

The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for
green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.

The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to another
b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
"lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
cassette system.
d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.

That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
in the MME office for details.










At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:
>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>Hi Glen,
>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>Commercial bit:
>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>595nm, and 635nm.
>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Gerry
>
>Gerard Whoriskey
>Development Engineer
>CoolLED Ltd
>CIL House
>Charlton Road
>Andover
>Hampshire
>SP10 3JL
>
>Mob: 07789535762
>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>web site: www.coolled.com

vb-2 vb-2
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Hi Barbara,
 
is there a broader choice of the excitation wavelength, e.g. is there 430 nm (440 nm), 570 nm (or 580 nm) LEDs? Let say matching the 89006 ET set from Chroma?
 
Vitaly
NCI-Frederick,
301-846-6575
 
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Subject: Re: LED price ?

Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal Hi, Jeremy

The price is for an LED cassette, which includes intelligent electronics.  Since each LED requires a specific voltage to drive it, the ability for the system to sense which LED cassette has been inserted is critical, especially for 2-channel or 3-channel imaging.  And yes, you would have to buy several LED cassettes.  However, when you consider that the lifetime is in excess of 30,000 hrs (I spoke to a diagnostic company yesterday who OEMs this system and they told me that, in practice, it was often in excess of 50,000 hrs) and there is often a better S/N ratio, it's not a very big investment compared to a mercury arc.

Hope this was helpful,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here in the MME office for details.

At 05:06 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal


re the informative posting on LEDs by Barbara Foster

catalogue prices for LEDs seem to be very low, so how come
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720   ?  
which seems to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

In addition you would need to purchase several LEDs


 


Jeremy Adler
Cell Biology
The Wenner-Gren Inst.
Arrhenius Laboratories E5
Stockholm University
Stockholm 106 91
Sweden



-----Original Message-----
From: Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Barbara Foster
Sent: Tue 06/11/2007 17:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 - semi commercial
 
Search the CONFOCAL archive at
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal

Dear Glen

As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
in particular.

Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
(630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of
the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.

Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
begun work on an epi version as well.

As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
disposal issue.
The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012

One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
there is dramatically less photobleaching.

The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for
green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.

The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to another
b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
"lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
cassette system.
d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.

That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
in the MME office for details.










At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:

>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>Hi Glen,
>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>Commercial bit:
>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>595nm, and 635nm.
>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Gerry
>
>Gerard Whoriskey
>Development Engineer
>CoolLED Ltd
>CIL House
>Charlton Road
>Andover
>Hampshire
>SP10 3JL
>
>Mob: 07789535762
>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>web site: www.coolled.com
Louis Kerr Louis Kerr
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Another vendor to consider in the LED technology is Zeiss. They have
introduced the Colibri system with ten LEDs being currently available. A
mercury halide lamp can be coupled the Colibri.

http://www.zeiss.de/micro

Louie Kerr

>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Barbara Foster
>> Sent: Tue 06/11/2007 17:27
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 - semi commercial
>>  
>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>
>> Dear Glen
>>
>> As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
>> technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
>> technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
>> AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
>> of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
>> Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
>> technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
>> observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
>> in particular.
>>
>> Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
>> Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
>> (630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
>> you already know them:  they are the world's largest manufacturer of
>> the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
>> gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.
>>
>> Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
>> transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
>> different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
>> smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
>> been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
>> a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
>> black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
>> releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
>> begun work on an epi version as well.
>>
>> As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
>> The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
>> LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
>> them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
>> Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
>> factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
>> 200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
>> 30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
>> a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
>> plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
>> significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
>> When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
>> disposal issue.
>> The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
>> did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
>> standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
>> Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HBO lamp: 160
>> Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
>> Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
>> Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
>> Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
>> Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012
>>
>> One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
>> there is dramatically less photobleaching.
>>
>> The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
>> Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
>> generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
>> bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
>> fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
>> routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
>> is a problem with your particular samples.  The good news is (a) for
>> green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
>> brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
>> is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
>> better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.
>>
>> The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
>> a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
>> have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to
>> another
>> b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
>> easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
>> of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
>> fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
>> "lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
>> needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
>> approach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
>> to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
>> area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
>> plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
>> screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
>> c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
>> controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
>> to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
>> position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
>> cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
>> cassette system.
>> d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
>> you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
>> e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
>> Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
>> blue, so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.
>>
>> That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
>> week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Barbara Foster, President
>>
>> We've moved!
>> Microscopy/Microscopy Education
>> 7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
>> McKinney TX 75070
>> P: (972)924-5310
>> Skype: fostermme
>> W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com <http://www.microscopyeducation.com/>
>>
>>
>> MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
>> December.  Call us today for details.
>>
>> P. S.
>> Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
>> semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
>> Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
>> class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
>> in the MME office for details.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:
>> >Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>> > http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>> >
>> >Hi Glen,
>> >The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and
>> operational
>> >costs and is continually improving with regard to performance,
>> measured in
>> >choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>> >I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury
>> based
>> >bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>> >regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>> >can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>> >very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>> >Commercial bit:
>> >We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>> >users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445nm, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>> >595nm, and 635nm.
>> >I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>> >
>> >Best Regards,
>> >
>> >Gerry
>> >
>> >Gerard Whoriskey
>> >Development Engineer
>> >CoolLED Ltd
>> >CIL House
>> >Charlton Road
>> >Andover
>> >Hampshire
>> >SP10 3JL
>> >
>> >Mob: 07789535762
>> >Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>> >Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>> >web site: www.coolled.com <http://www.coolled.com/>

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yes, there are all kinds of led,different wavelength, 375nm,405nm,460nm,585nm,....and the optical power is high, maybe up to 100mw. I have ever bought different leds, for a 5w blue led(460nm),the optical power is about 20mw(it is easy to adjust the power by changing the current or voltage ),the price is about 14 RMB in china (about 2 dollar).Compare with laser, the biggest problem is led's big emission angle.So it is hard to couple light  to fiber or focus into one point.I tried to do it, but most of the energy lost. I think the led will replace the arc lamp in future, even the laser for confocal or laser scanning microscopy.


Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:03:44 -0500
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Subject: Re: LED price ?
To: [hidden email]

Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
Hi Barbara,
 
is there a broader choice of the excitation wavelength, e.g. is there 430 nm (440 nm), 570 nm (or 580 nm) LEDs? Let say matching the 89006 ET set from Chroma?
 
Vitaly
NCI-Frederick,
301-846-6575
 
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Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal Hi, Jeremy

The price is for an LED cassette, which includes intelligent electronics.  Since each LED requires a specific voltage to drive it, the ability for the system to sense which LED cassette has been inserted is critical, especially for 2-channel or 3-channel imaging.  And yes, you would have to buy several LED cassettes.  However, when you consider that the lifetime is in excess of 30,000 hrs (I spoke to a diagnostic company yesterday who OEMs this system and they told me that, in practice, it was often in excess of 50,000 hrs) and there is often a better S/N ratio, it's not a very big investment compared to a mercury arc.

Hope this was helpful,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Tra il, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here in the MME office for details.

At 05:06 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal


re the informative posting on LEDs by Barbara Foster

catalogue prices for LEDs seem to be very low, so how come
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720   ?  
which seems to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

In addition you would need to purchase several LEDs


 


Jeremy Adler
Cell Biology
The Wenner-Gren Inst.
Arrhenius Laboratories E5
Stockholm University
Stockholm 106 91
Sweden



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Sent: Tue 06/11/2007 17:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Non-arc source for IX-81 - semi commercial
 
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Dear Glen

As a strategic consultant in microscopy, I get to see the latest
technology and there is, indeed, a great deal of flurry about LED
technology.  In the summer of 2006, I had a chance to evaluate the
AFTER/FluoLED from Fraen and was very impressed with the design, ease
of use, and flexibility.  I have been working on assignment with
Fraen more recently and was surprised to see how much both LED
technology and this product line had evolved.  So here are
observations on both LED technology in general, and the Fraen system
in particular.

Fraen's FluoLEDs are now available in UV (354nm), Royal blue (450nm),
Blue (480nm), Cyan (505 nm), Green (535nm) Yellow (590nm) and red
(630nm).  While Fraen is a new name in the microscopy arena, most of
you already know them:  they are the w orld's largest manufacturer of
the LEDs used for the pointers/indicators for the speedometers, gas
gauges, etc., on the dashboard of your cars.

Until recently Fraen's AFTER/FluoLEDs were only available in
transmitted light version for upright microscopes, currently, over 17
different models from all the major manufacturers and several of the
smaller ones.  For us "old timers", transmitted light has typically
been seen as less efficient, but the superb images from FluoLED tell
a very different story:  Bright features against wonderfully velvet
black background.  In other words: great S/N.  Fraen will be
releasing the first systems for inverted stands next month and have
begun work on an epi version as well.

As with any technology, there is up side/down side to LEDs
The good news is the consistency, lack of fuss, and economy of
LEDs.  When they are on, they are on.  When they are off and you need
them on, you can turn them on immediately - no cycle time.
Also, they exhibit much less drop off over time than HBOs.  That time
factor is critical.  Life expectancy of an HBO is on the order of
200-300 hrs; for Fraen's LED's (I don't have figures on the others)
30,000 hrs.  No error in decimal points here: you can run them 8 hrs
a day, 5 days a week, for 5 years without changing a lamp.  If you
plot drop-off versus time, a 100 fold increase in time is
significant, especially for those of us doing long term experiments.
When it comes time to switch out the lamp, there is no alignment, no
disposal issue.
The economy issue is also an interesting.  Fraen's European office
did the following calculations (Euros) for the LED cassette for a
standard Blue excitation kit vs. an HBO arc lamp:
Cost of LED cassette: Eu720             Cost of HB O lamp: 160
Lifetime LED casette: 30,000hrs Lifetime HBO lamp: 300 hrs
Eu/hr LED cassette:  EU 0.024           Eu/hr HBO lamp:   Eu 0.53
Assumption: if you run both systems for 2000 hrs/year
Cost of LED cassette/yr: Eu48           Cost of HBOs/year: Eu1060.
Savings, using LEDs: Eu1012

One more bit of good news: LEDs are also a much cooler source so
there is dramatically less photobleaching.

The down side really isn't very down, just something to be aware of.
Because of the state of LED technology, green and yellow LEDs
generate less power so the resulting images will be somewhat less
bright than with HBO.  This is not much of an issue when the
fluorescence is viewed at magnifications up to about 60x but if you
routinely use 100x objectives, you should run the test to see if it
is a problem with your par ticular samples.  The good news is (a) for
green LEDs, research is powering ahead.  Fraen expects to have new,
brighter LEDs in Feb 08.  (b) For Yellow (Texas red, etc.), research
is slower.  However, they also have a good news side: they exhibit
better S/N ratio, even at the lower power, than HBO.

The FluoLED family has a number of things to recommend it:
a. They have engineered a clever "multi-cube" device so that you can
have 1 LED, 2 LEDs, or 3 LEDs and can switch conveniently from one to another
b. For multi-user labs, the LED cassettes can be switched quickly and
easily.  This feature reminded me of the old Reichert Polyvars, one
of my favorite microscopes, especially for teaching.  The
fluorescence (and reflected light DIC and Darkfield) cubes came on
"lolly pop" sticks so that you could just slide in what you
needed.  FluoLED has mimicked that flexibility with their cassette
ap proach.  A lab can have a set of cassettes sitting in a drawer next
to the microscope or each group can have what they need in their own
area, so they can have whatever excitation/emission they need by just
plugging in their cassette and tightening the locking
screw.  Immediate change out... no alignment!
c. Fraen has engineered intelligent electronics into their
controllers.  Different wavelength LEDs require different amperages
to drive them.  With Fraen's system, when a cassette is plugged into
position, the controller intelligently senses which LED is in the
cassette and provides the appropriate amperage, even with the 3
cassette system.
d. The controller also allows the user to change intensity so that
you can balance different channels for optimum imaging.
e. Finally, and as a past high school teacher, I loved this one...
Fraen has engineered less expensive "baby" systems in Blue and Royal
blue , so that we can finally get fluorescence into teaching labs.

That's the story.  I hope it was helpful.  I am at Neuroscience this
week and LEDs are, indeed,grabbing a lot of interest.

Best regards,
Barbara Foster, President

We've moved!
Microscopy/Microscopy Education
7101 Royal Glen Trail, Suite A
McKinney TX 75070
P: (972)924-5310
Skype: fostermme
W: www.MicroscopyEducation.com


MME is now scheduling customized, on-site courses through
December.  Call us today for details.

P. S.
Need a good general reference or light microscopy text for next
semester? Call us today to learn more about "Optimizing LIght
Microscopy".  Copies still available through MME... even for
class-room lots ... and we give quantity discounts. Just call us here
in the MME office for details.










At 07:21 AM 11/6/2007, Gerard Whoriskey wrote:

>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>Hi Glen,
>The argument for LED systems is very strong on reliability and operational
>costs and is continually improving with regard to performance, measured in
>choice of wavelengths and intensity.
>I assume that in your confocal set-up you are only using the mercury based
>bulb system to check and align samples and that you only need excitation
>regions that match the laser lines you are using. An LED system that you
>can switch on and off as you please is ideal for such applications and a
>very cost effective replacement to bulbs.
>Commercial bit:
>We have only recently included 445nm and 505nm options to our range. Now
>users can choose from 7 options of 400nm, 445n m, 465nm, 505nm, 525nm,
>595nm, and 635nm.
>I will contact you directly with more commercial information.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Gerry
>
>Gerard Whoriskey
>Development Engineer
>CoolLED Ltd
>CIL House
>Charlton Road
>Andover
>Hampshire
>SP10 3JL
>
>Mob: 07789535762
>Tel: +44 (0) 1264 321321
>Dir: +44 (0)1264 320984
>web site: www.coolled.com

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