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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** If you are imaging a sample in aqueous media through glass with a 1.25 NA 100x oil objective, what is the correct refractive index immersion oil to use? You are going to have refractive index mismatches no matter what, but are some more critical than others? Is the 1.25 NA objective designed to be used with 1.515 RI oil or should one use a lower RI oil or match the sample by using water? Dave Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** I think if you attempt to use a lower refractive index you will be getting additional aberration from a coverslip. To test the effect of oil, you can attach beads to two coverslips and place then facing each other and separated by a gap of appropriate size (Journal of Microscopy, Vol. 241, Pt 1 2011, pp. 94–100). Then compare the quality of images of the top an bottom beads. Mike ________________________________________ From: Confocal Microscopy List <[hidden email]> on behalf of Knecht, David <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 6:40 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Immersion oil ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** If you are imaging a sample in aqueous media through glass with a 1.25 NA 100x oil objective, what is the correct refractive index immersion oil to use? You are going to have refractive index mismatches no matter what, but are some more critical than others? Is the 1.25 NA objective designed to be used with 1.515 RI oil or should one use a lower RI oil or match the sample by using water? Dave Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Oil objectives always assume you are trying to match to the index of the coverslip. By using an oil with the same index as the coverslip, you are essentially removing the coverslip first surface from the light path. That is, you have a constant medium between the end of your objective and the inner surface of the coverslip. This assumes your sample is resting perfectly against the coverslip surface though, so reality varies. If you have a gap between that inner surface and the sample you now have a layer of mounting media to get through, with its own index of refraction difference. Craig On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Knecht, David <[hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > If you are imaging a sample in aqueous media through glass with a 1.25 NA > 100x oil objective, what is the correct refractive index immersion oil to > use? You are going to have refractive index mismatches no matter what, but > are some more critical than others? Is the 1.25 NA objective designed to > be used with 1.515 RI oil or should one use a lower RI oil or match the > sample by using water? Dave > > Dr. David Knecht > Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology > Core Microscopy Facility Director > University of Connecticut > 91 N. Eagleville Rd. > Storrs, CT 06269 > 860-486-2200 > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** An 'oil' objective requires a medium with the RI of oil between itself and the coverslip. This provides the RI the objective is designed for until the outer edge of the coverslip. The RI matching should continue beyond the coverslip, and from here it goes wrong for a water based sample. The degradation increases with the distance from the coverslip to the imaging plane. So if you are interested in how cells desperately cling to coverslips then the mismatch in RIs is not too serious. But given the time and resources invested in an experiment why not optimize the imaging by using a water objective. The question can be addressed experimentally and most manufacturers will lend you an objective in the hope that you will be impressed by its performance. An appropriate test sample would be a slide with 200nm fluorescent microspheres on both the coverslip and slide with a spacer between them whose thickness matches the location of your imaging plane. Compare the observed PSFs of the microspheres on the coverslip with the PSFs on the slide and you have an empirical answer. ________________________________________ From: Confocal Microscopy List [[hidden email]] on behalf of Knecht, David [[hidden email]] Sent: 05 April 2016 00:40 To: [hidden email] Subject: Immersion oil ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** If you are imaging a sample in aqueous media through glass with a 1.25 NA 100x oil objective, what is the correct refractive index immersion oil to use? You are going to have refractive index mismatches no matter what, but are some more critical than others? Is the 1.25 NA objective designed to be used with 1.515 RI oil or should one use a lower RI oil or match the sample by using water? Dave Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** David, when using an immersion medium that has a lower index than the objective is designed for, you are essentially losing effective NA and therefore resolution. Also you are no longer corrected for spherical aberration (SA) at the sample side of the cover slip. However, the remaining SA may no longer be depth variant in case you match the embedding index. Generally its not a good idea to deviate from the manufacturers design immersion index, unless you know how to correct for it. Regards Lutz -----Original Message----- From: Knecht, David Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 6:40 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Immersion oil ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** If you are imaging a sample in aqueous media through glass with a 1.25 NA 100x oil objective, what is the correct refractive index immersion oil to use? You are going to have refractive index mismatches no matter what, but are some more critical than others? Is the 1.25 NA objective designed to be used with 1.515 RI oil or should one use a lower RI oil or match the sample by using water? Dave Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** For your situation, there are two practical options: 1) You could use a thinner coverslip and immersion oil with higher refractive index than standard oil. Wan DS, Rajadhyaksha M, Webb RH (2000) Analysis of spherical aberration of a water immersion objective: application to specimens with refractive indices 1.33-1.40. J Microsc 197: 274-284, see also comments by Sheppard J Microsc 200: 177-178 The problem is that for full correction at 1.25 NA, you may need immersion oils of very high RI- those may not be available. 2) Use a finite-corrected objective on an infinity-corrected system: REIHANI, S.N.S. & ODDERSHEDE, L.B. (2009). Confocal microscopy of thick specimens. Journal of Biomedical Optics 14, 030513-030513-030513. You could also change the tube length to compensate for spherical aberration - on some old compound microscopes with finite optics and a trinocular tube it is easy, you can move the camera up or down from the default 160 mm tube lengths position. I am not sure how easy it would be on some newer models; probably not possible or practical or modern point scanning confocals. Stan Vitha Micrsocopy and Imaging Center Texas A&M University On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 01:39:45 +0000, MODEL, MICHAEL <[hidden email]> wrote: > >I think if you attempt to use a lower refractive index you will be getting additional aberration from a coverslip. To test the effect of oil, you can attach beads to two coverslips and place then facing each other and separated by a gap of appropriate size (Journal of Microscopy, Vol. 241, Pt 1 2011, pp. 94–100). Then compare the quality of images of the top an bottom beads. > >Mike > >________________________________________ >From: Confocal Microscopy List <[hidden email]> on behalf of Knecht, David <[hidden email]> >If you are imaging a sample in aqueous media through glass with a 1.25 NA 100x oil objective, what is the correct refractive index immersion oil to use? You are going to have refractive index mismatches no matter what, but are some more critical than others? Is the 1.25 NA objective designed to be used with 1.515 RI oil or should one use a lower RI oil or match the sample by using water? Dave > >Dr. David Knecht |
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