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Sectioning Hard Grass Stems

Shiv

We have successfully embedded wheat straw in Spurr resin, LR White may be better although often it doesn't bind to hydrophobic surfaces so might be a problem. For really dense material like Miscanthus we have never had any success.

I suggest two approaches:
1/ If you can collect fresh stems they should be much easier to section (without embedding) than dried material which has become permanently hornified.
2/ If you have to work with dried material then try storing in formalin aceto alcohol for long periods (months). For some materials this results in some softening but it does take a long time (6-12 months). This will also work better if you start with fresh rather than dried material.

If you do manage to embed the stem it will likely be silicified so you will go through a lot of glass knives !

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Dr Lloyd Donaldson - Senior Scientist
SCION - Next generation biomaterials
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Hi all, I have never cut hard woody grass stems (similar strength as small dried bamboo stem). One of our client wish to section and stain them and I have tried couple of ways soak and cryo embedding, cook (pressure cook) and mounting in paraffin (based on a book chapter), but it seems not working well. I am about to try embedding in hard polymer such as LR white or Lowacryl, is there any other method proven to be useful than these approaches.

Sorry this is not a confocal question.

Thanking you in advance
Shiv

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Re: Sectioning Hard Grass Stems

Hi Shiv,

Depending on what you need to do, you could try a sledge microtome,
we use this for small tree cross-sections, big tobacco stems and also
wheat stems, fresh and dry.  You do need a really good, well-sharpened
microtome knife, the disposable ones aren't up to it - ditto if you try
cryosectioning.  For this, we just stick the stems in tissuetek or similar
and section them very cold - at least -30 C.

The other option is to autoclave in a softening agent, one group here
autoclaves rice leaves in KOH before staining rust pathogens with
fluorescent wheat germ agglutinin, the older rice leaves are so hydrophobic
it's the only way to stain haustoria inside the mesophyll.  They are a
bit soft after this, but perhaps just autoclaving in water or buffer would help.
Maybe the pressure cooker isn't going quite far enough.....

cheers,
Rosemary

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Subject: Sectioning Hard Grass Stems

Shiv

We have successfully embedded wheat straw in Spurr resin, LR White may be better although often it doesn't bind to hydrophobic surfaces so might be a problem. For really dense material like Miscanthus we have never had any success.

I suggest two approaches:
1/ If you can collect fresh stems they should be much easier to section (without embedding) than dried material which has become permanently hornified.
2/ If you have to work with dried material then try storing in formalin aceto alcohol for long periods (months). For some materials this results in some softening but it does take a long time (6-12 months). This will also work better if you start with fresh rather than dried material.

If you do manage to embed the stem it will likely be silicified so you will go through a lot of glass knives !

Regards
Dr Lloyd Donaldson - Senior Scientist
SCION - Next generation biomaterials
Te Papa Tipu Innovation Park, 49 Sala Street
Private Bag 3020, ROTORUA, New Zealand
DDI 64 7 343 5581
Fax 64 7 343 5507
email [hidden email]


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Hi all, I have never cut hard woody grass stems (similar strength as small dried bamboo stem). One of our client wish to section and stain them and I have tried couple of ways soak and cryo embedding, cook (pressure cook) and mounting in paraffin (based on a book chapter), but it seems not working well. I am about to try embedding in hard polymer such as LR white or Lowacryl, is there any other method proven to be useful than these approaches.

Sorry this is not a confocal question.

Thanking you in advance
Shiv

Mayandi Sivaguru, PhD, PhD
Microscopy Facility Manager
8, Institute for Genomic Biology
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
1206 West Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL 61801 USA

Office: 217.333.1214
Fax: 217.244.2496
[hidden email]
http://core.igb.uiuc.edu
<http://core.igb.uiuc.edu/>
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Re: Sectioning Hard Grass Stems

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Hiii
 
Why dont you try OCT (resin) and perform cryotome without fixing the stems .. I did that some time back with Tea Stems and it works fine for me ...But it was more like a freeze fracture ..

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:39 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

Shiv

We have successfully embedded wheat straw in Spurr resin, LR White may be better although often it doesn't bind to hydrophobic surfaces so might be a problem. For really dense material like Miscanthus we have never had any success.

I suggest two approaches:
1/ If you can collect fresh stems they should be much easier to section (without embedding) than dried material which has become permanently hornified.
2/ If you have to work with dried material then try storing in formalin aceto alcohol for long periods (months). For some materials this results in some softening but it does take a long time (6-12 months). This will also work better if you start with fresh rather than dried material.

If you do manage to embed the stem it will likely be silicified so you will go through a lot of glass knives !

Regards
Dr Lloyd Donaldson - Senior Scientist
SCION - Next generation biomaterials
Te Papa Tipu Innovation Park, 49 Sala Street
Private Bag 3020, ROTORUA, New Zealand
DDI 64 7 343 5581
Fax 64 7 343 5507
email [hidden email]


>>
Hi all, I have never cut hard woody grass stems (similar strength as small dried bamboo stem). One of our client wish to section and stain them and I have tried couple of ways soak and cryo embedding, cook (pressure cook) and mounting in paraffin (based on a book chapter), but it seems not working well. I am about to try embedding in hard polymer such as LR white or Lowacryl, is there any other method proven to be useful than these approaches.

Sorry this is not a confocal question.

Thanking you in advance
Shiv

Mayandi Sivaguru, PhD, PhD
Microscopy Facility Manager
8, Institute for Genomic Biology
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
1206 West Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL 61801 USA

Office: 217.333.1214
Fax: 217.244.2496
[hidden email]

http://core.igb.uiuc.edu