Sprinklers in instrument rooms

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Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)

I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any new thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of sprinkler system too.

What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely showering of your confocal or EM?
Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)

thanks much,
Rosemary

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Hi, Rosemary,

     I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was never asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus with sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked where I wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs (I was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot where my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and belly-aching on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able to insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from the microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on the column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a chance to cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more ideally, hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the rest of the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but it's further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic dropcloth on that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the knee space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the INSIDE of the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)

Ed

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University of South Florida
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Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)

I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any new thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of sprinkler system too.

What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely showering of your confocal or EM?
Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)

thanks much,
Rosemary

Dr Rosemary White
CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only)
GPO Box 1600
Canberra, ACT 2601

T 02 6246 5475
F 02 6246 5334
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Hi Rosemary,

I knew a guy who made a corrugated plastic roof (slanted, with drainage)
to protect his scope from water leakage due to floods and burst pipes.
Sprinklers on the other hand strike me as a risky sword of damocles
hanging over your stuff.  If you need something to meet building codes, we
use a compressed halon system.  You trade danger to the scopes for
suffocation risk, but it works on a sixty second timer so people have
plenty of time to leave the room.  We forbid earphones to make sure people
can hear the alarm.

Cheers,


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>I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any
>new thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement,
>second time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in
>case of fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a
>single storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some
>sort of sprinkler system too.
>
>What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely
>showering of your confocal or EM?
>Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have
>fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
>
>thanks much,
>Rosemary
>
>Dr Rosemary White
>CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only)
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>Canberra, ACT 2601
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If fire code requires sprinklers, you get sprinklers.  The best you can do is build a cage around the microscope as in the physiology labs.  But don't think you can get away with hanging a tarp over the equipment.

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We do have sprinklers in our lab (building code). I use large overhead
shelves suspended from the ceiling over all my rigs to hold lower priority
equipment like computers. The shelves are two layered so a second higher
shelf which is mostly empty covers the computers. If it 'rains' in the lab
the shelves should deflect the bulk of the water away from the most
critical components. The other thing we have is good insurance.

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As I understand it, most sprinkler systems go off only if there is fire
(or a sufficiently high temperature--e.g., hot enough to boil alcohol)
in the room--i.e., if a sprinkler goes off, you WANT it to go off--at
that point, you have a fire in the room the water damage will be
incidental. (The exception to this generalization seems to be "deluge"
systems-- see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprinkler_Systems.)  
However, it might be possible to accidentally hit a sprinkler and set it
off,  if (for instance) someone were careless when moving equipment.  If
the ceilings (and sprinklers) are low and your equipment racks are tall,
you might want to have wire guards placed around the sprinklers to
protect them.

Dr. Haller makes a good point about leakage--anyone know how common that
is?  My own sense is that the real danger is of a sprinkler going off on
the floor *above *you.  That could flood your space and cause needless
damage.  Tarps and shelves might shield you from that but might also
prevent the sprinklers from properly drenching the room if there were a
fire in your own equipment.

Martin Wessendorf

On 6/26/2014 5:05 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
>
> I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any new thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of sprinkler system too.
>
> What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely showering of your confocal or EM?
> Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
>
> thanks much,
> Rosemary
>
> Dr Rosemary White
> CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only)
> GPO Box 1600
> Canberra, ACT 2601

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There are also sprinkler systems using water that have empty pipes. The
pipes to the sprinkler heads only fill with water when the system is
activated. So no leaks. (This is supposed to be the system that goes in
our new building. If the building is built right ...)

Phil

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> As I understand it, most sprinkler systems go off only if there is fire
> (or a sufficiently high temperature--e.g., hot enough to boil alcohol)
> in the room--i.e., if a sprinkler goes off, you WANT it to go off--at
> that point, you have a fire in the room the water damage will be
> incidental. (The exception to this generalization seems to be "deluge"
> systems-- see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprinkler_Systems.) However,
> it might be possible to accidentally hit a sprinkler and set it off, if
> (for instance) someone were careless when moving equipment. If the
> ceilings (and sprinklers) are low and your equipment racks are tall, you
> might want to have wire guards placed around the sprinklers to protect
> them.
>
> Dr. Haller makes a good point about leakage--anyone know how common that
> is? My own sense is that the real danger is of a sprinkler going off on
> the floor *above *you. That could flood your space and cause needless
> damage. Tarps and shelves might shield you from that but might also
> prevent the sprinklers from properly drenching the room if there were a
> fire in your own equipment.
>
> Martin Wessendorf
>
> On 6/26/2014 5:05 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
>>
>> I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any
>> new thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement,
>> second time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system
>> in case of fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms
>> (it's a single storey brick building). I imagine the new building will
>> have some sort of sprinkler system too.
>>
>> What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the
>> unlikely showering of your confocal or EM?
>> Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to
>> have fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
>>
>> thanks much,
>> Rosemary
>>
>> Dr Rosemary White
>> CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only)
>> GPO Box 1600
>> Canberra, ACT 2601
>

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Because sprinkler heads are mandatory, we have put beach umbrellas over our microscopes. I have a colleague who lost several high end systems when a water line broke on a floor above his facility some years ago. The sprinkler heads are not the only thing to worry about.

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Hi, Rosemary,

     I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was never asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus with sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked where I wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs (I was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot where my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and belly-aching on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able to insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from the microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on the column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a chance to cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more ideally, hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the rest of the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but it's further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic dropcloth on that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the knee space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the INSIDE of the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)

Ed

Edward Haller, Lab Manager
University of South Florida
Department of Integrative Biology
Electron Microscopy Core
SCA 110
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Tampa, FL 33620
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Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)

I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any new thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of sprinkler system too.

What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely showering of your confocal or EM?
Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)

thanks much,
Rosemary

Dr Rosemary White
CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only) GPO Box 1600 Canberra, ACT 2601

T 02 6246 5475
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I'm with John on this; it's not so much the sprinklers in your imaging room
so much as the odds of a flood coming in from the floors above.

Craig


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> sprinkler heads are not the only thing to worry about.
>
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> Director, Center for Cell Death, Injury & Regeneration
> Departments of Drug Discovery & Biomedical Sciences and Biochemistry &
> Molecular Biology
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> Charleston, SC 29425
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> Hi, Rosemary,
>
>      I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers
> when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was never
> asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus with
> sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be
> installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked where I
> wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs (I
> was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during
> construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot where
> my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and belly-aching
> on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able to
> insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from the
> microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on the
> column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a chance to
> cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to
> cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more ideally,
> hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the rest of
> the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a
> sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but it's
> further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic dropcloth on
> that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew
> installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the knee
> space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the INSIDE of
> the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)
>
> Ed
>
> Edward Haller, Lab Manager
> University of South Florida
> Department of Integrative Biology
> Electron Microscopy Core
> SCA 110
> 4202 East Fowler Avenue
> Tampa, FL 33620
> [phone]
> [hidden email]
> Office: ISA 1046
>  http://biology.usf.edu/ib/research/facilities/
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> Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
>
> I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any new
> thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second
> time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of
> fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single
> storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of
> sprinkler system too.
>
> What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely
> showering of your confocal or EM?
> Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have
> fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
>
> thanks much,
> Rosemary
>
> Dr Rosemary White
> CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only) GPO Box 1600 Canberra, ACT 2601
>
> T 02 6246 5475
> F 02 6246 5334
> E [hidden email]
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Our system requires both a smoke alarm and heat sensor to trip before water
is delivered to the pipes.  Day-to-day, there is no water in the pipes over
our microscopes.

-Doug


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> when
> > a water line broke on a floor above his facility some years ago. The
> > sprinkler heads are not the only thing to worry about.
> >
> > -----
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> > Professor and GlaxoSmithKline Distinguished Endowed Chair
> > Director, Center for Cell Death, Injury & Regeneration
> > Departments of Drug Discovery & Biomedical Sciences and Biochemistry &
> > Molecular Biology
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> > Hi, Rosemary,
> >
> >      I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers
> > when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was never
> > asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus with
> > sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be
> > installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked where I
> > wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs (I
> > was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during
> > construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot where
> > my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and
> belly-aching
> > on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able to
> > insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from the
> > microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on
> the
> > column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a chance
> to
> > cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to
> > cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more
> ideally,
> > hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the rest of
> > the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a
> > sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but
> it's
> > further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic dropcloth on
> > that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew
> > installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the
> knee
> > space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the INSIDE
> of
> > the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Edward Haller, Lab Manager
> > University of South Florida
> > Department of Integrative Biology
> > Electron Microscopy Core
> > SCA 110
> > 4202 East Fowler Avenue
> > Tampa, FL 33620
> > [phone]
> > [hidden email]
> > Office: ISA 1046
> >  http://biology.usf.edu/ib/research/facilities/
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Confocal Microscopy List [[hidden email]] on
> > behalf of [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:05 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Sprinklers in instrument rooms
> >
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your
> posting.
> > *****
> >
> > Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
> >
> > I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any
> new
> > thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second
> > time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of
> > fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single
> > storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of
> > sprinkler system too.
> >
> > What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely
> > showering of your confocal or EM?
> > Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have
> > fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
> >
> > thanks much,
> > Rosemary
> >
> > Dr Rosemary White
> > CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only) GPO Box 1600 Canberra, ACT
> 2601
> >
> > T 02 6246 5475
> > F 02 6246 5334
> > E [hidden email]
> >
>

[Feinstein, Timothy]

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Keeping the sprinkler pipes empty is good, but I have seen lab floods come
in
an impressive number of ways.  These include a nearby water main break
(twice), pipes freezing five floors above, old building water pipes giving
way and a staff member leaving a double distilled water tap running to
fill a carboy and going home for the weekend.

If you want to be triple safe and you have enough headroom, some sort of
backup water protection is never a bad idea.  That goes triple in a very
old building.  

Also try to keep expensive things at least a couple of inches off the
floor.

All the best,


TF

Timothy Feinstein, Ph.D. | Confocal Manager
333 Bostwick Ave., N.E., Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
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On 6/27/14, 1:37 PM, "Douglas Richardson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>Our system requires both a smoke alarm and heat sensor to trip before
>water
>is delivered to the pipes.  Day-to-day, there is no water in the pipes
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>
>
>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Craig Brideau <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>
>> *****
>> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>>
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>>icroscopy
>> Post images on
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_Q
>>-SoSoQ1g&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eimgur%2ecom and include the link in your
>>posting.
>> *****
>>
>> I'm with John on this; it's not so much the sprinklers in your imaging
>>room
>> so much as the odds of a flood coming in from the floors above.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Lemasters, John J. <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > *****
>> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> >
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_V
>>qT8yBEhg&u=http%3a%2f%2flists%2eumn%2eedu%2fcgi-bin%2fwa%3fA0%3dconfocalm
>>icroscopy
>> > Post images on
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_Q
>>-SoSoQ1g&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eimgur%2ecom and include the link in your
>> posting.
>> > *****
>> >
>> > Because sprinkler heads are mandatory, we have put beach umbrellas
>>over
>> > our microscopes. I have a colleague who lost several high end systems
>> when
>> > a water line broke on a floor above his facility some years ago. The
>> > sprinkler heads are not the only thing to worry about.
>> >
>> > -----
>> > John J. Lemasters, MD, PhD
>> > Professor and GlaxoSmithKline Distinguished Endowed Chair
>> > Director, Center for Cell Death, Injury & Regeneration
>> > Departments of Drug Discovery & Biomedical Sciences and Biochemistry &
>> > Molecular Biology
>> > Medical University of South Carolina
>> > DD504 Drug Discovery Building
>> > 70 President Street, MSC 140
>> > Charleston, SC 29425
>> > Email: [hidden email]
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Confocal Microscopy List
>>[mailto:[hidden email]]
>> > On Behalf Of Haller, Edward
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:40 AM
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Subject: Re: Sprinklers in instrument rooms
>> >
>> > *****
>> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> >
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_V
>>qT8yBEhg&u=http%3a%2f%2flists%2eumn%2eedu%2fcgi-bin%2fwa%3fA0%3dconfocalm
>>icroscopy
>> > Post images on
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_Q
>>-SoSoQ1g&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eimgur%2ecom and include the link in your
>> posting.
>> > *****
>> >
>> > Hi, Rosemary,
>> >
>> >      I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers
>> > when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was
>>never
>> > asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus
>>with
>> > sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be
>> > installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked
>>where I
>> > wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs
>>(I
>> > was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during
>> > construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot
>>where
>> > my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and
>> belly-aching
>> > on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able
>>to
>> > insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from
>>the
>> > microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on
>> the
>> > column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a
>>chance
>> to
>> > cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to
>> > cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more
>> ideally,
>> > hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the
>>rest of
>> > the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a
>> > sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but
>> it's
>> > further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic
>>dropcloth on
>> > that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew
>> > installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the
>> knee
>> > space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the
>>INSIDE
>> of
>> > the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Edward Haller, Lab Manager
>> > University of South Florida
>> > Department of Integrative Biology
>> > Electron Microscopy Core
>> > SCA 110
>> > 4202 East Fowler Avenue
>> > Tampa, FL 33620
>> > [phone]
>> > [hidden email]
>> > Office: ISA 1046
>> >  
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_V
>>2doy8S3g&u=http%3a%2f%2fbiology%2eusf%2eedu%2fib%2fresearch%2ffacilities%
>>2f
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: Confocal Microscopy List [[hidden email]] on
>> > behalf of [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:05 AM
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Subject: Sprinklers in instrument rooms
>> >
>> > *****
>> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
>> >
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_V
>>qT8yBEhg&u=http%3a%2f%2flists%2eumn%2eedu%2fcgi-bin%2fwa%3fA0%3dconfocalm
>>icroscopy
>> > Post images on
>>http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=129&d=_qut04nva1srzT9d7xTv86IByczaldOX_Q
>>-SoSoQ1g&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eimgur%2ecom and include the link in your
>> posting.
>> > *****
>> >
>> > Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
>> >
>> > I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any
>> new
>> > thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement,
>>second
>> > time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case
>>of
>> > fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single
>> > storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some
>>sort of
>> > sprinkler system too.
>> >
>> > What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the
>>unlikely
>> > showering of your confocal or EM?
>> > Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to
>>have
>> > fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
>> >
>> > thanks much,
>> > Rosemary
>> >
>> > Dr Rosemary White
>> > CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only) GPO Box 1600 Canberra, ACT
>> 2601
>> >
>> > T 02 6246 5475
>> > F 02 6246 5334
>> > E [hidden email]
>> >
>>

[Barbara Foster]

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At 12:53 PM 6/27/2014, you wrote:

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>*****
>
>I'm with John on this; it's not so much the sprinklers in your imaging room
>so much as the odds of a flood coming in from the floors above.
>
>Craig
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Lemasters, John J. <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting.
> > *****
> >
> > Because sprinkler heads are mandatory, we have put beach umbrellas over
> > our microscopes. I have a colleague who lost several high end systems when
> > a water line broke on a floor above his facility some years ago. The
> > sprinkler heads are not the only thing to worry about.
> >
> > -----
> > John J. Lemasters, MD, PhD
> > Professor and GlaxoSmithKline Distinguished Endowed Chair
> > Director, Center for Cell Death, Injury & Regeneration
> > Departments of Drug Discovery & Biomedical Sciences and Biochemistry &
> > Molecular Biology
> > Medical University of South Carolina
> > DD504 Drug Discovery Building
> > 70 President Street, MSC 140
> > Charleston, SC 29425
> > Email: [hidden email]
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > On Behalf Of Haller, Edward
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:40 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: Sprinklers in instrument rooms
> >
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting.
> > *****
> >
> > Hi, Rosemary,
> >
> >      I fought (and lost) with the Fire Marshall and building Engineers
> > when they built my lab. I designed the lab from ground up, and was never
> > asked about sprinklers. There are no other buildings on our campus with
> > sprinklers, and I was not informed that sprinklers were going to be
> > installed in my labs when they were being built, nor was I asked where I
> > wanted the heads installed. When I walked in the door to see the labs (I
> > was actually forbidden for a month to walk through the labs during
> > construction) I discovered a sprinkler head directly above the spot where
> > my TEM column would sit! After much wrangling (and griping and belly-aching
> > on the part of engineers and construction crew), I was at least able to
> > insist that the head be moved to a side wall in the room, away from the
> > microscope column, so that if the head ever leaks, it will not drip on the
> > column, and so, if it is ever bumped, we would have a prayer of a chance to
> > cover the thing and protect the microscope. I'd like to build a box to
> > cover the head, but we get inspections from time to time, or, more ideally,
> > hire an outside plumber to cut the line. I have sprinklers in the rest of
> > the lab, and fire extinguishers right outside the door. I don't need a
> > sprinkler head in my TEM room! I also have a head in my SEM room, but it's
> > further away from my scope. I could probably throw a plastic dropcloth on
> > that scope and save it. (As a side note, this same construction crew
> > installed two chilled water spigots UNDER my wall-mounted desk, in the knee
> > space, in my office, and installed the lock to my TEM room on the INSIDE of
> > the door. They weren't the brightest lightbulbs in the boxes!)
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Edward Haller, Lab Manager
> > University of South Florida
> > Department of Integrative Biology
> > Electron Microscopy Core
> > SCA 110
> > 4202 East Fowler Avenue
> > Tampa, FL 33620
> > [phone]
> > [hidden email]
> > Office: ISA 1046
> >  http://biology.usf.edu/ib/research/facilities/
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Confocal Microscopy List [[hidden email]] on
> > behalf of [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:05 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Sprinklers in instrument rooms
> >
> > *****
> > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to:
> > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy
> > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting.
> > *****
> >
> > Hi all, (sorry for cross-posting)
> >
> > I know this has been discussed before, just wondered if there were any new
> > thoughts. We're moving twice, first into a refurbished basement, second
> > time into a new building. The basement has a sprinkler system in case of
> > fire, unlike our current building which just has alarms (it's a single
> > storey brick building). I imagine the new building will have some sort of
> > sprinkler system too.
> >
> > What precautions, if any, do people take to protect against the unlikely
> > showering of your confocal or EM?
> > Are there any relatively simple alternatives? (One alternative is to have
> > fire-doors and walls for each room but that is prohibitive.)
> >
> > thanks much,
> > Rosemary
> >
> > Dr Rosemary White
> > CSIRO Plant Industry (for 4 more days only) GPO Box 1600 Canberra, ACT 2601
> >
> > T 02 6246 5475
> > F 02 6246 5334
> > E [hidden email]
> >