To update or not to update - that is the question
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Andrew Vaughan-2 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear All, This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. Thanks, Yours sincerely, Andrew Vaughan. |
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Mark Cannell-2 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi Andrew My experience is to turn off updates if you want to avoid software crashing/suddenly stop working… (Also, keep the computer off the internet). Zeiss also told me they would not be responsible for rapid software patches to Zen if Windoze updates alter the API etc… HTH my 2c Cheers > On 5/01/2017, at 12:23 PM, Vaughan, Andrew <[hidden email]> wrote: > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Dear All, > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > Thanks, > > Yours sincerely, > > Andrew Vaughan. Mark B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ FISHR Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology School of Physiology & Pharmacology Faculty of Biomedical Sciences University of Bristol Bristol BS8 1TD UK [hidden email] |
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Mason, David [dnmason] |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** We're running one version of Zen or another on all but one of our microscopes. We turn updates off, then once a month (or so): - image the system disk (clonezilla / windows system restore / macrium / etc) - install updates - check nothing's broken (or leave it to the users) - Keep the image until next update cycle Worst case, you can always roll back. Also nice to have a reasonably recent image in case of HDD failure Dave ________________________________ David Mason, PhD Centre for Cell Imaging, Institute of Integrative Biology, University of Liverpool, L69 7ZB Tel: +44 (0)151 795 4454 Web: http://cci.liv.ac.uk Blog: http://postacquisition.wordpress.com ________________________________ ________________________________________ From: Confocal Microscopy List [[hidden email]] on behalf of Mark Cannell [[hidden email]] Sent: 05 January 2017 14:15 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi Andrew My experience is to turn off updates if you want to avoid software crashing/suddenly stop working… (Also, keep the computer off the internet). Zeiss also told me they would not be responsible for rapid software patches to Zen if Windoze updates alter the API etc… HTH my 2c Cheers > On 5/01/2017, at 12:23 PM, Vaughan, Andrew <[hidden email]> wrote: > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Dear All, > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > Thanks, > > Yours sincerely, > > Andrew Vaughan. Mark B. Cannell Ph.D. FRSNZ FISHR Professor of Cardiac Cell Biology School of Physiology & Pharmacology Faculty of Biomedical Sciences University of Bristol Bristol BS8 1TD UK [hidden email] |
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Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t)-2 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the Windows automatic update. We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows automatic update. Dr. Ammasi Periasamy Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engg. Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 Fax: (434) 982-5210 E-mail: [hidden email] (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear All, This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. Thanks, Yours sincerely, Andrew Vaughan. |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** And a similar problem. The following is cut and paste from an email sent out by our local IT support: As of July 2017 you will not be able to purchase new PCs with Windows 7. This is not dictated by some [local] IT policy but by Intel and Microsoft dropping processor support for Windows 7. New future Intel CPUs and storage interfaces (NVME SSDs) will not support Windows 7. All PC vendors will be forced to drop Windows 7 from their lineups. Please plan accordingly. All new machines starting in July next year will ship with Windows 10 only. There is no way around it other than perhaps buying used machines on eBay, which will be feasible but difficult due to our inflexible purchasing system. If you suspect that you will need Windows 7 for years to come, then stock up on extra machines before July 2017. This is likely to be worse than transition from Windows XP to Windows 7 due to Microsoft aggressively pushing Windows 10. Please take this seriously as you may find yourself in situation where you won't be able to operate certain instruments! Start planning for transition to Windows 10 or stock up on spare PCs. Contact your vendors and ask them about their Windows 10 support plans. ========================================================================= Michael Cammer, Microscopy Core & Skirball Institute, NYU Langone Medical Center Cell: 914-309-3270 Office: Skirball 2nd Floor main office, back right http://ocs.med.nyu.edu/microscopy & http://microscopynotes.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------ This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by return email and delete the original message. Please note, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The organization accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ================================= |
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Armstrong, Brian |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi Andrew, we also still have an AIM system running on a machine with the XP OS. We went against advice and installed our own computer system (Dell running XP). It has been rock solid for many years now. We have the system on the internet, and LAN, and use Symantec anti-virus and we have the updates set not for Automatic but to inform first. However, I admit that I periodically install all of the recommended updates anyway. That being said I am sure you are aware that XP is no longer supported. Hope this is helpful. Cheers, Brian Armstrong PhD Associate Research Professor Developmental and Stem Cell Biology Diabetes and Metabolic Diseases Director, Light Microscopy Core Beckman Research Institute, City of Hope -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 4:23 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear All, This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. Thanks, Yours sincerely, Andrew Vaughan. --------------------------------------------------------------------- *SECURITY/CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING: This message and any attachments are intended solely for the individual or entity to which they are addressed. This communication may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure under applicable law (e.g., personal health information, research data, financial information). Because this e-mail has been sent without encryption, individuals other than the intended recipient may be able to view the information, forward it to others or tamper with the information without the knowledge or consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you received the communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting the message and any accompanying files from your system. If, due to the security risks, you do not wish to receive further communications via e-mail, please reply to this message and inform the sender that you do not wish to receive further e-mail from the sender. (fpc5p) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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WAINWRIGHT James |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi all, I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be confused with device driver updates. In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to the operating system) are rarely the problem. However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of drivers, which device updates could disrupt. On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device installation settings". i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows updates. My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" would be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... James -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question EXTERNAL EMAIL ATTACHMENT ADVISORY ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the Windows automatic update. We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows automatic update. Dr. Ammasi Periasamy Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engg. Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 Fax: (434) 982-5210 E-mail: [hidden email] (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear All, This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. Thanks, Yours sincerely, Andrew Vaughan. +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ ___________________________________________________________________________This e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. |
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Craig Brideau |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** I agree with James that the device driver updates are the main thing to watch for. As older operating systems are more vulnerable to intrusion, however users still need to get their data off the machines. As a single thumb drive virus can lock down a system, you may find it useful to have a second computer set up as an interface to the outside world for the purposes of data transfer. For instance our old XP machine copies data to a Linux-based server. I've also seen setup where a Linux computer was used as a companion to a few different windows machines and served as the 'dock' for users to plug in their external hard disks to retrieve data in a core facility. Since the Linux computer could not contract Windows viruses and vice-versa, this served as a excellent shield for the Windows computers running the actual equipment. Craig On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:44 AM, WAINWRIGHT James <[hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Hi all, > > I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be confused > with device driver updates. > > In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to the > operating system) are rarely the problem. > > However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system due to > the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of drivers, > which device updates could disrupt. > > On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can be > disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the > computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device installation > settings". > > i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows updates. > > My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" would be > better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] > On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) > Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > EXTERNAL EMAIL > > ATTACHMENT ADVISORY > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the > Windows automatic update. > We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows > automatic update. > > Dr. Ammasi Periasamy > Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of > Biology and Biomedical Engg. > Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville > http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t > Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 > Fax: (434) 982-5210 > E-mail: [hidden email] > (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) > > FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop > > -----Original Message----- > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] > On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Dear All, > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in > the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope > manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows > updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I > have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which > indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not > everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off > updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition > system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based > systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship > with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has > had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there > is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is > likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told > that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > Thanks, > > Yours sincerely, > > Andrew Vaughan. > > > +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________This > e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to > www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. > |
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Jacqueline Ross |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi everyone, When we bought our Zeiss LSM 710, Windows updates were automatically enabled. About 1 month after purchase, the entire system crashed and everything had to be reinstalled on the computer. We were advised to disable automatic updates. We did this but sadly our institution had a policy of forcing updates to be enabled on any computer on the network (to stop individual creating security risks) so unbeknown to us, it became enabled again. Needless to say, the whole thing went down again and this time we had to pay for the computer to be reimaged which was a little costly as the engineer had to come from Australia to do this but obviously this was our fault. After this costly exercise, we were able to add the LSM 710 computer to an Exclusion list for the faculty, which is supposed to exclude these particular computers from any updates. So far, so good. Essential updates are installed manually. We do run NOD32 antivirus on the Zeiss systems but not on the Olympus. Cheers, Jacqui -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of WAINWRIGHT James Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 5:44 a.m. To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi all, I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be confused with device driver updates. In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to the operating system) are rarely the problem. However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of drivers, which device updates could disrupt. On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device installation settings". i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows updates. My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" would be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... James -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question EXTERNAL EMAIL ATTACHMENT ADVISORY ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the Windows automatic update. We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows automatic update. Dr. Ammasi Periasamy Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engg. Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 Fax: (434) 982-5210 E-mail: [hidden email] (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear All, This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. Thanks, Yours sincerely, Andrew Vaughan. +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ ___________________________________________________________________________This e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. |
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Rosemary.White |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Ah, yes, this is a bone of contention with our IT people. In my experience, Windows updates write something to the registry(ies) that then disables the software down the track. Possibly something in the local image interferes with the software as well. We now disallow automatic Windows updates on all instruments – SEM, FTIR microscope, fluorescence and dissecting scopes, confocals, and also don’t allow the local image to be mapped to the instruments. As Jacqui says, the second time the whole system crashes, you pay. It does mean that the instruments have to be on their own separate LAN “for security”, but that’s a much lesser price to pay. cheers, Roesmary Dr Rosemary White CSIRO Black Mountain GPO Box 1700 Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia T 61 2 6246 5475 E [hidden email] On 6/1/17, 7:49 am, "Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Jacqui Ross" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote: ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi everyone, When we bought our Zeiss LSM 710, Windows updates were automatically enabled. About 1 month after purchase, the entire system crashed and everything had to be reinstalled on the computer. We were advised to disable automatic updates. We did this but sadly our institution had a policy of forcing updates to be enabled on any computer on the network (to stop individual creating security risks) so unbeknown to us, it became enabled again. Needless to say, the whole thing went down again and this time we had to pay for the computer to be reimaged which was a little costly as the engineer had to come from Australia to do this but obviously this was our fault. After this costly exercise, we were able to add the LSM 710 computer to an Exclusion list for the faculty, which is supposed to exclude these particular computers from any updates. So far, so good. Essential updates are installed manually. We do run NOD32 antivirus on the Zeiss systems but not on the Olympus. Cheers, Jacqui -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of WAINWRIGHT James Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 5:44 a.m. To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Hi all, I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be confused with device driver updates. In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to the operating system) are rarely the problem. However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of drivers, which device updates could disrupt. On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device installation settings". i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows updates. My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" would be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... James -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question EXTERNAL EMAIL ATTACHMENT ADVISORY ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the Windows automatic update. We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows automatic update. Dr. Ammasi Periasamy Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engg. Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 Fax: (434) 982-5210 E-mail: [hidden email] (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear All, This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. Thanks, Yours sincerely, Andrew Vaughan. +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ ___________________________________________________________________________This e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Again this is where that 'nanny' computer that acts as a gateway to the main network can be useful. It is also possible to configure some routers to act as a network isolator, but using a full-fledged computer helps ease data transfer and management in some cases. Craig On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:12 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Ah, yes, this is a bone of contention with our IT people. In my > experience, Windows updates write something to the registry(ies) that then > disables the software down the track. Possibly something in the local image > interferes with the software as well. We now disallow automatic Windows > updates on all instruments – SEM, FTIR microscope, fluorescence and > dissecting scopes, confocals, and also don’t allow the local image to be > mapped to the instruments. As Jacqui says, the second time the whole system > crashes, you pay. It does mean that the instruments have to be on their own > separate LAN “for security”, but that’s a much lesser price to pay. > > cheers, > Roesmary > > Dr Rosemary White > CSIRO Black Mountain > GPO Box 1700 > Canberra, ACT 2601 > Australia > > T 61 2 6246 5475 > E [hidden email] > > > On 6/1/17, 7:49 am, "Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Jacqui Ross" < > [hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> > wrote: > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > ***** > > Hi everyone, > > When we bought our Zeiss LSM 710, Windows updates were automatically > enabled. About 1 month after purchase, the entire system crashed and > everything had to be reinstalled on the computer. We were advised to > disable automatic updates. We did this but sadly our institution had a > policy of forcing updates to be enabled on any computer on the network (to > stop individual creating security risks) so unbeknown to us, it became > enabled again. Needless to say, the whole thing went down again and this > time we had to pay for the computer to be reimaged which was a little > costly as the engineer had to come from Australia to do this but obviously > this was our fault. > > After this costly exercise, we were able to add the LSM 710 computer > to an Exclusion list for the faculty, which is supposed to exclude these > particular computers from any updates. So far, so good. Essential updates > are installed manually. > > We do run NOD32 antivirus on the Zeiss systems but not on the Olympus. > > Cheers, > > Jacqui > > -----Original Message----- > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of WAINWRIGHT James > Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 5:44 a.m. > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > ***** > > Hi all, > > I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be > confused with device driver updates. > > In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to > the operating system) are rarely the problem. > > However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system > due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of > drivers, which device updates could disrupt. > > On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can > be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the > computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device installation > settings". > > i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows > updates. > > My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" would > be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) > Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > EXTERNAL EMAIL > > ATTACHMENT ADVISORY > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > ***** > > In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the > Windows automatic update. > We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows > automatic update. > > Dr. Ammasi Periasamy > Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of > Biology and Biomedical Engg. > Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville > http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t > Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 > Fax: (434) 982-5210 > E-mail: [hidden email] > (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) > > FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/ > workshop > > -----Original Message----- > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > ***** > > Dear All, > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives > in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope > manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows > updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I > have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which > indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not > everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off > updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition > system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based > systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship > with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has > had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there > is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is > likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told > that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > Thanks, > > Yours sincerely, > > Andrew Vaughan. > > > +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________This > e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to > www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. > > > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** We also have been told by manufacturers to turn off windows updates completely to keep the imaging applications working properly. If the workstation is dedicated for imaging and can be kept off internet, I wouldn't update OS unless it is super necessary. For data storage and transferring, our facility is using a online server from university IT. Our users upload their data from facility workstations directly to this server, Then they can download their files to data room computers for analysis or their lab computers through university intranet. I feel it is easy-to-use for users and can keep their data safer. Guobin Sun, Ph.D. Light Microscopy Specialist Centre for High-Throughput Phenogenomics Faculty of Dentistry, The University of British Columbia 2405 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC , Canada V6T 1Z3 Phone: 604-822-2873 Fax: 604-822-3562 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:19 PM Craig Brideau <[hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Again this is where that 'nanny' computer that acts as a gateway to the > main network can be useful. It is also possible to configure some routers > to act as a network isolator, but using a full-fledged computer helps ease > data transfer and management in some cases. > > Craig > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:12 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > > ***** > > > > Ah, yes, this is a bone of contention with our IT people. In my > > experience, Windows updates write something to the registry(ies) that > then > > disables the software down the track. Possibly something in the local > image > > interferes with the software as well. We now disallow automatic Windows > > updates on all instruments – SEM, FTIR microscope, fluorescence and > > dissecting scopes, confocals, and also don’t allow the local image to be > > mapped to the instruments. As Jacqui says, the second time the whole > system > > crashes, you pay. It does mean that the instruments have to be on their > own > > separate LAN “for security”, but that’s a much lesser price to pay. > > > > cheers, > > Roesmary > > > > Dr Rosemary White > > CSIRO Black Mountain > > GPO Box 1700 > > Canberra, ACT 2601 > > Australia > > > > T 61 2 6246 5475 > > E [hidden email] > > > > > > On 6/1/17, 7:49 am, "Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Jacqui Ross" < > > [hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email] > > > > wrote: > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > When we bought our Zeiss LSM 710, Windows updates were automatically > > enabled. About 1 month after purchase, the entire system crashed and > > everything had to be reinstalled on the computer. We were advised to > > disable automatic updates. We did this but sadly our institution had a > > policy of forcing updates to be enabled on any computer on the network > (to > > stop individual creating security risks) so unbeknown to us, it became > > enabled again. Needless to say, the whole thing went down again and this > > time we had to pay for the computer to be reimaged which was a little > > costly as the engineer had to come from Australia to do this but > obviously > > this was our fault. > > > > After this costly exercise, we were able to add the LSM 710 computer > > to an Exclusion list for the faculty, which is supposed to exclude these > > particular computers from any updates. So far, so good. Essential updates > > are installed manually. > > > > We do run NOD32 antivirus on the Zeiss systems but not on the > Olympus. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jacqui > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of WAINWRIGHT James > > Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 5:44 a.m. > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > Hi all, > > > > I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be > > confused with device driver updates. > > > > In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to > > the operating system) are rarely the problem. > > > > However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system > > due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of > > drivers, which device updates could disrupt. > > > > On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can > > be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the > > computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device > installation > > settings". > > > > i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows > > updates. > > > > My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" > would > > be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... > > > > James > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) > > Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > EXTERNAL EMAIL > > > > ATTACHMENT ADVISORY > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the > > Windows automatic update. > > We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows > > automatic update. > > > > Dr. Ammasi Periasamy > > Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of > > Biology and Biomedical Engg. > > Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville > > http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t > > Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 > > Fax: (434) 982-5210 > > E-mail: [hidden email] > > (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) > > > > FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/ > > workshop > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > Dear All, > > > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives > > in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope > > manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows > > updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I > > have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which > > indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not > > everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off > > updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition > > system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based > > systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which > ship > > with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else > has > > had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether > there > > is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is > > likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told > > that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Andrew Vaughan. > > > > > > +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________This > > e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to > > www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. > > > > > > > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Unlike many of the posters here, we've always regularly updated Windows on our machines. We have 8 systems, 7 of which run Windows 7, and one of which runs Windows XP (that one is not on the network). The systems run a mixture of NIS-Elements and Micro-manager (you can see them all at nic.ucsf.edu). Over the ten years I've been doing this, I can only think of two or three times that we have had issues caused by a Windows update. During that time we've also had a machine that had to be rebuilt due to virus infection, so I think the security trade-off is probably worth it. In general, we've had many more computer problems due to hardware failures than to software failures. We have to do all our own IT support, so I often feel like I'm running a small IT shop, with 16 computers to manage. Kurt On 1/5/2017 4:23 AM, Vaughan, Andrew wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Dear All, > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > Thanks, > > Yours sincerely, > > Andrew Vaughan. > -- Kurt Thorn Associate Professor Director, Nikon Imaging Center http://thornlab.ucsf.edu/ http://nic.ucsf.edu/blog/ |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** I think microscopy vendors and software companies need to work together to provide a better solution. We need an operating system made for running complex instruments, which is more stable and has a longer shelf live than the current Windows versions. The microscope companies need to work hand in hand with IT to verify updates which are then automatically pushed out to the machines. We need easy to use fast and safe internet access to copy large amounts of data and every additional step and hardware in-between is an obstacle. I wonder how this is done in the medical field? Best wishes Andreas -----Original Message----- From: "Rubin" <[hidden email]> Sent: 07/01/2017 00:12 To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** We also have been told by manufacturers to turn off windows updates completely to keep the imaging applications working properly. If the workstation is dedicated for imaging and can be kept off internet, I wouldn't update OS unless it is super necessary. For data storage and transferring, our facility is using a online server from university IT. Our users upload their data from facility workstations directly to this server, Then they can download their files to data room computers for analysis or their lab computers through university intranet. I feel it is easy-to-use for users and can keep their data safer. Guobin Sun, Ph.D. Light Microscopy Specialist Centre for High-Throughput Phenogenomics Faculty of Dentistry, The University of British Columbia 2405 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC , Canada V6T 1Z3 Phone: 604-822-2873 Fax: 604-822-3562 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:19 PM Craig Brideau <[hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Again this is where that 'nanny' computer that acts as a gateway to the > main network can be useful. It is also possible to configure some routers > to act as a network isolator, but using a full-fledged computer helps ease > data transfer and management in some cases. > > Craig > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:12 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > > ***** > > > > Ah, yes, this is a bone of contention with our IT people. In my > > experience, Windows updates write something to the registry(ies) that > then > > disables the software down the track. Possibly something in the local > image > > interferes with the software as well. We now disallow automatic Windows > > updates on all instruments – SEM, FTIR microscope, fluorescence and > > dissecting scopes, confocals, and also don’t allow the local image to be > > mapped to the instruments. As Jacqui says, the second time the whole > system > > crashes, you pay. It does mean that the instruments have to be on their > own > > separate LAN “for security”, but that’s a much lesser price to pay. > > > > cheers, > > Roesmary > > > > Dr Rosemary White > > CSIRO Black Mountain > > GPO Box 1700 > > Canberra, ACT 2601 > > Australia > > > > T 61 2 6246 5475 > > E [hidden email] > > > > > > On 6/1/17, 7:49 am, "Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Jacqui Ross" < > > [hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email] > > > > wrote: > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > When we bought our Zeiss LSM 710, Windows updates were automatically > > enabled. About 1 month after purchase, the entire system crashed and > > everything had to be reinstalled on the computer. We were advised to > > disable automatic updates. We did this but sadly our institution had a > > policy of forcing updates to be enabled on any computer on the network > (to > > stop individual creating security risks) so unbeknown to us, it became > > enabled again. Needless to say, the whole thing went down again and this > > time we had to pay for the computer to be reimaged which was a little > > costly as the engineer had to come from Australia to do this but > obviously > > this was our fault. > > > > After this costly exercise, we were able to add the LSM 710 computer > > to an Exclusion list for the faculty, which is supposed to exclude these > > particular computers from any updates. So far, so good. Essential updates > > are installed manually. > > > > We do run NOD32 antivirus on the Zeiss systems but not on the > Olympus. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jacqui > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of WAINWRIGHT James > > Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 5:44 a.m. > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > Hi all, > > > > I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be > > confused with device driver updates. > > > > In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates to > > the operating system) are rarely the problem. > > > > However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system > > due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set of > > drivers, which device updates could disrupt. > > > > On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates can > > be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking the > > computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device > installation > > settings". > > > > i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows > > updates. > > > > My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" > would > > be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... > > > > James > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) > > Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > EXTERNAL EMAIL > > > > ATTACHMENT ADVISORY > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like the > > Windows automatic update. > > We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the Windows > > automatic update. > > > > Dr. Ammasi Periasamy > > Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of > > Biology and Biomedical Engg. > > Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville > > http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t > > Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 > > Fax: (434) 982-5210 > > E-mail: [hidden email] > > (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) > > > > FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/ > > workshop > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > ***** > > > > Dear All, > > > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives > > in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope > > manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows > > updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I > > have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which > > indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not > > everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off > > updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition > > system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based > > systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which > ship > > with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else > has > > had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether > there > > is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is > > likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told > > that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Andrew Vaughan. > > > > > > +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________This > > e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to > > www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. > > > > > > > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** I do agree with Address ... OS update is mandatory to address the issues as no software is foolproof and constantly have evolve in response to challenges and demands of of a relatively bigger community... Reg Ganesh On Jan 7, 2017 1:44 PM, "Andreas Bruckbauer" < [hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > I think microscopy vendors and software companies need to work together to > provide a better solution. We need an operating system made for running > complex instruments, which is more stable and has a longer shelf live than > the current Windows versions. The microscope companies need to work hand > in hand with IT to verify updates which are then automatically pushed out > to the machines. We need easy to use fast and safe internet access to copy > large amounts of data and every additional step and hardware in-between is > an obstacle. I wonder how this is done in the medical field? > > Best wishes > > Andreas > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Rubin" <[hidden email]> > Sent: 07/01/2017 00:12 > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > We also have been told by manufacturers to turn off windows updates > completely to keep the imaging applications working properly. If the > workstation > is dedicated for imaging and can be kept off internet, I wouldn't update OS > unless it is super necessary. For data storage and transferring, our > facility is using a online server from university IT. Our users upload > their data from facility workstations directly to this server, Then they > can download their files to data room computers for analysis or their lab > computers through university intranet. I feel it is easy-to-use for users > and can keep their data safer. > > Guobin Sun, Ph.D. > Light Microscopy Specialist > Centre for High-Throughput Phenogenomics > Faculty of Dentistry, The University of British Columbia > 2405 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC , Canada V6T 1Z3 > Phone: 604-822-2873 Fax: 604-822-3562 > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:19 PM Craig Brideau <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > ***** > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > posting. > > ***** > > > > Again this is where that 'nanny' computer that acts as a gateway to the > > main network can be useful. It is also possible to configure some routers > > to act as a network isolator, but using a full-fledged computer helps > ease > > data transfer and management in some cases. > > > > Craig > > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:12 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > ***** > > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > posting. > > > ***** > > > > > > Ah, yes, this is a bone of contention with our IT people. In my > > > experience, Windows updates write something to the registry(ies) that > > then > > > disables the software down the track. Possibly something in the local > > image > > > interferes with the software as well. We now disallow automatic Windows > > > updates on all instruments – SEM, FTIR microscope, fluorescence and > > > dissecting scopes, confocals, and also don’t allow the local image to > be > > > mapped to the instruments. As Jacqui says, the second time the whole > > system > > > crashes, you pay. It does mean that the instruments have to be on their > > own > > > separate LAN “for security”, but that’s a much lesser price to pay. > > > > > > cheers, > > > Roesmary > > > > > > Dr Rosemary White > > > CSIRO Black Mountain > > > GPO Box 1700 > > > Canberra, ACT 2601 > > > Australia > > > > > > T 61 2 6246 5475 > > > E [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > On 6/1/17, 7:49 am, "Confocal Microscopy List on behalf of Jacqui > Ross" < > > > [hidden email] on behalf of > [hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ***** > > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > > posting. > > > ***** > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > When we bought our Zeiss LSM 710, Windows updates were > automatically > > > enabled. About 1 month after purchase, the entire system crashed and > > > everything had to be reinstalled on the computer. We were advised to > > > disable automatic updates. We did this but sadly our institution had a > > > policy of forcing updates to be enabled on any computer on the network > > (to > > > stop individual creating security risks) so unbeknown to us, it became > > > enabled again. Needless to say, the whole thing went down again and > this > > > time we had to pay for the computer to be reimaged which was a little > > > costly as the engineer had to come from Australia to do this but > > obviously > > > this was our fault. > > > > > > After this costly exercise, we were able to add the LSM 710 > computer > > > to an Exclusion list for the faculty, which is supposed to exclude > these > > > particular computers from any updates. So far, so good. Essential > updates > > > are installed manually. > > > > > > We do run NOD32 antivirus on the Zeiss systems but not on the > > Olympus. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jacqui > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of WAINWRIGHT James > > > Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 5:44 a.m. > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > > > ***** > > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > > posting. > > > ***** > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I think it's also worth mentioning that Windows updates may be > > > confused with device driver updates. > > > > > > In my personal experience, Windows updates (i.e. software updates > to > > > the operating system) are rarely the problem. > > > > > > However, device driver updates may interfere with an imaging system > > > due to the fact the manufacturer will (probably) test with a known set > of > > > drivers, which device updates could disrupt. > > > > > > On a Windows 7 system for example, Windows Device Driver updates > can > > > be disabled from Control Panel, Devices & Printers and right-clicking > the > > > computer icon. This will bring up a menu that includes "Device > > installation > > > settings". > > > > > > i.e. these driver updates can be disabled separately from Windows > > > updates. > > > > > > My feeling is that the blanket rule of "disable Windows updates" > > would > > > be better articulated as "disable windows device driver updates"... > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Periasamy, Ammasi (ap3t) > > > Sent: 05 January 2017 15:36 > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Subject: Re: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > > > EXTERNAL EMAIL > > > > > > ATTACHMENT ADVISORY > > > > > > ***** > > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > > posting. > > > ***** > > > > > > In general the microscopy companies service engineers do not like > the > > > Windows automatic update. > > > We are using Zeiss780, we have been advised not to allow the > Windows > > > automatic update. > > > > > > Dr. Ammasi Periasamy > > > Center Director, W.M. Keck Center for Cellular Imaging Professor of > > > Biology and Biomedical Engg. > > > Univeristy of Virginia, Charlottesville > > > http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/people/profile/ap3t > > > Phone: (434) 243-7602 or 982-4869 > > > Fax: (434) 982-5210 > > > E-mail: [hidden email] > > > (P.O. Boxx 400328; for Campus only) > > > > > > FRET/FLIM Workshop-March 6-10, 2017: http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/ > > > workshop > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:CONFOCALMICROSCOPY@ > > > LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Vaughan, Andrew > > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:24 AM > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Subject: To update or not to update - that is the question > > > > > > ***** > > > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > > > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your > > > posting. > > > ***** > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss > representatives > > > in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope > > > manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether > Windows > > > updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people > I > > > have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which > > > indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not > > > everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off > > > updates completely because an update could interfere with the > acquisition > > > system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older > AIM-based > > > systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which > > ship > > > with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else > > has > > > had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether > > there > > > is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It > is > > > likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been > told > > > that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > Andrew Vaughan. > > > > > > > > > +++Scanned for Viruses by ForcePoint+++ > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________This > > > e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. Please refer to > > > www.oxinst.com/email-statement for regulatory information. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Most of our systems are networked. As a result they have to be updated or IT will complain. However, I don't allow Windows to automatically download and install updates. This works fine for our Nikon systems, Olympus systems and Leica SP5. Keep only in mind to restart the computer after an update even if Windows does not insist on a restart. We had a few times problems due to not restarting after an update. After the restart all was fine again. Only Zeiss advised not to update the system and as a result this system is not networked. Kees Dr Ir K.R. Straatman Senior Experimental Officer Advanced Imaging Facility Centre for Core Biotechnology Services University of Leicester http://www2.le.ac.uk/colleges/medbiopsych/facilities-and-services/cbs/lite/aif On 1/5/2017 4:23 AM, Vaughan, Andrew wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Dear All, > > This email relates to discussions I've had with Zeiss representatives in the UK, although it could just as easily apply to other microscope manufacturers. I have been looking for clear guidance on whether Windows updates should be installed on acquisition or analysis PCs. The people I have spoken to at Zeiss have different opinions on the matter, which indicates that Zeiss does not have a particular policy (or that not everyone knows it). I have been advised by some people to switch off updates completely because an update could interfere with the acquisition system. I have also been told that this advice refers to older AIM-based systems running Windows XP and is not relevant for new machines, which ship with Windows updates set to Automatic. I'd like to know if anyone else has had discussions like this with Zeiss or any other company and whether there is a consensus on in-house policies for keeping computers patched. It is likely that companies have region-specific advice since I have been told that warranties are more extensive in some regions compared to others. > > Thanks, > > Yours sincerely, > > Andrew Vaughan. > -- Kurt Thorn Associate Professor Director, Nikon Imaging Center http://thornlab.ucsf.edu/ http://nic.ucsf.edu/blog/ |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** When we started the new Core Facility about a year ago, I decided to go for automated updates on our 10 Leica microscope computers. The main reasons were: * If we are not on the network, users will come with USB-devices. That is a security risk, since some viruses/Worms distribute over USB-Sticks. We previously learned the hard way that this is a very real problem. I even locked the USB ports on the new machines to avoid problems. * Without network connection, no remote support. And this feature turned out to be useful a few times. * A computer on the network without system updates is a no go, for security reasons. We have fast internet connection and big hard drives, thus we would be rewarding targets for the bad boys. An alternative for data transfer would be a 'nany computer' as mentioned by others (I like the term). And we have used a NAS with severel ethernet ports for that purpose for an older machine that ran on XP. But then you still have no remote support. So far we didn't run into any problems. But then, a year is not that much experience. What I do (or at least try to keep up) as an insurance is a full backup of the system partition, every time major changes were made on the microscope computer. Thus, if bad things should happen during an update (or disk failure), I always should be able to go back. On our machines, only essential updates are on automatic, not 'recommended' ones. This was mostly to avoid automatic upgrade to Windows 10. I am not sure if this also keeps out device driver updates, which might cause problems according to other posts. The other thing I did was to tell windows not to automatically reboot if somebody is logged in. This way we can avoid reboots after updates during long term experiments. Our "routine for new computers" describes how to do that on this web page, point 13. http://www.bioimaging.bmc.med.uni-muenchen.de/manuals-protocols/maintenance_protocolls/newmiccomp/index.html Best Steffen -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Biomedical Center (BMC) Head of the Core Facility Bioimaging Großhaderner Straße 9 D-82152 Planegg-Martinsried Germany http://www.bioimaging.bmc.med.uni-muenchen.de |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Dear listserv members, In addition to the excellent advice below and previous responses, I strongly recommend: * have I.T. make a 'ghost' image of every machine every night (or at least every week) AND * the core make a 'ghost' image of every machine every night (or at least every week). Having your own backup copy means you are not dependent on I.T. Acronis is the backup (and restore!) software packages I use (both when I managed a core, and now at home consulting). There are others, such as Norton Ghost. Best to segregate the operating system + acquisition (and/or analysis) software on C: away from temp and swap files (D:) and image data. Save the image data to D: or to E: and at end of session copy to server space, or if the network performance is good enough, direct to server space. I also note that all hard drives die. All solid state drives die. Mini-form factor PC's, such as the Dell's in the core in Miami when I started there, are excellent hard drive ovens (and/or Dell installs piece of junk hard drives that may die temperature independent deaths ... I think of this as the difference between apoptosis and necrosis: dead is dead). Consider spending the extra money for "data center" rated SSDs. These are typically rated for 5 years ('average' time before failure ... but unlike Garrison Keillor's school district's student's, not all the drives will be above average) -- back those up regularly from day 1. Happy 2017, George On 1/9/2017 10:56 AM, Steffen Dietzel wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > When we started the new Core Facility about a year ago, I decided to > go for automated updates on our 10 Leica microscope computers. The > main reasons were: > > * If we are not on the network, users will come with USB-devices. That > is a security risk, since some viruses/Worms distribute over > USB-Sticks. We previously learned the hard way that this is a very > real problem. I even locked the USB ports on the new machines to avoid > problems. > > * Without network connection, no remote support. And this feature > turned out to be useful a few times. > > * A computer on the network without system updates is a no go, for > security reasons. We have fast internet connection and big hard > drives, thus we would be rewarding targets for the bad boys. > > An alternative for data transfer would be a 'nany computer' as > mentioned by others (I like the term). And we have used a NAS with > severel ethernet ports for that purpose for an older machine that ran > on XP. But then you still have no remote support. > > So far we didn't run into any problems. But then, a year is not that > much experience. What I do (or at least try to keep up) as an > insurance is a full backup of the system partition, every time major > changes were made on the microscope computer. Thus, if bad things > should happen during an update (or disk failure), I always should be > able to go back. > > On our machines, only essential updates are on automatic, not > 'recommended' ones. This was mostly to avoid automatic upgrade to > Windows 10. I am not sure if this also keeps out device driver > updates, which might cause problems according to other posts. > > The other thing I did was to tell windows not to automatically reboot > if somebody is logged in. This way we can avoid reboots after updates > during long term experiments. Our "routine for new computers" > describes how to do that on this web page, point 13. > > http://www.bioimaging.bmc.med.uni-muenchen.de/manuals-protocols/maintenance_protocolls/newmiccomp/index.html > > > Best > > Steffen > -- George McNamara, PhD Houston, TX 77054 [hidden email] https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgemcnamara https://works.bepress.com/gmcnamara/75/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/myncbi/browse/collection/44962650 |
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