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Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2 systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear from others about their experiences with other confocal systems and why they think one might be better than another. We recently saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it. Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
Page

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Hi Page,
 
We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy with it.  The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica  was rather efficient in fixing them.  The software was never Leica's strong side, and the new LAS AF is no exception, but you learn to live with it; the 1.8.2 version is definitely an improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful STN ratio, and the objectives are very good as well (the system shows practically no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know the 710.  
Hope this helps!
 
Zoltan

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch <[hidden email]> wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2 systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear from others about their experiences with other confocal systems and why they think one might be better than another. We recently saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it. Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
Page

--
Page Baluch, Ph.D.
W.M. Keck Bioimaging Lab Manager
Arizona State University/SoLS
PO Box 874501
Tempe, AZ 85287-4501



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Dept. of Zoology University of Cambridge
Downing Street, Cambridge
CB2 3EJ UK

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Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
Page, check out also the Leica spectral excitation and spectral emission confocal SP5 X. This has a single white laser with a single laser capable of tuning excitation wavelengths at the entire visible spectrum at 1nm resolution.
In addition, remember the SP5 comes with a resonant scanner too. I have personally tested a SP5 system with STED with the samples I have prepared and very pleased with the results. That means if you have a SP5 with resonant scanner you can latter upgrade to superresolution technique (STED) which can yield around 90 nm resolutions in xy. THe AOBS based system is great as you loose less photons.
But, the Zeiss 710 system's new grating design is worth to have a look. I personally feel that the Zeiss 710 is a system step cloaser to a spectral confocal such as an SP5. Zeiss has great flexibility in your laser selection and that will let you not burn your wallet upfront and you can add lasers latter as and when it is needed.
No commercial interest on either vendors. I feel both should be great systems and you should select depending on your necessity and your budget.
Shiv


At 02:40 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
Hi Page,
 
We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy with it.  The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica  was rather efficient in fixing them.  The software was never Leica's strong side, and the new LAS AF is no exception, but you learn to live with it; the 1.8.2 version is definitely an improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful STN ratio, and the objectives are very good as well (the system shows practically no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know the 710. 
Hope this helps!
 
Zoltan

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch <[hidden email]> wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2 systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear from others about their experiences with other confocal systems and why they think one might be better than another. We recently saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it. Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
Page

--
Page Baluch, Ph.D.
W.M. Keck Bioimaging Lab Manager
Arizona State University/SoLS
PO Box 874501
Tempe, AZ 85287-4501




--
--
Zoltan Cseresnyes
Facility manager, Imaging Suite
Dept. of Zoology University of Cambridge
Downing Street, Cambridge
CB2 3EJ UK

Tel.: (++44) (0)1223 769282
Fax.: (++44) (0)1223 336676

Mayandi Sivaguru, PhD, PhD
Microscopy Facility Manager
8, Institute for Genomic Biology
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
1206 West Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL 61801 USA

Office: 217.333.1214
Fax: 217.244.2496
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You need to consider if you are doing any spectroscopy work.  I am not sure how the new Zeiss spectral system works but the LSM510 meta scans the whole spectrum simultaneously where as the Leica does this sequentially.  If you have photobleaching considerations this could affect your choice.  I have used both and for most needs either should suit very well.


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Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
Page, check out also the Leica spectral excitation and spectral emission confocal SP5 X. This has a single white laser with a single laser capable of tuning excitation wavelengths at the entire visible spectrum at 1nm resolution.
In addition, remember the SP5 comes with a resonant scanner too. I have personally tested a SP5 system with STED with the samples I have prepared and very pleased with the results. That means if you have a SP5 with resonant scanner you can latter upgrade to superresolution technique (STED) which can yield around 90 nm resolutions in xy. THe AOBS based system is great as you loose less photons.
But, the Zeiss 710 system's new grating design is worth to have a look. I personally feel that the Zeiss 710 is a system step cloaser to a spectral confocal such as an SP5. Zeiss has great flexibility in your laser selection and that will let you not burn your wallet upfront and you can add lasers latter as and when it is needed.
No commercial interest on either vendors. I feel both should be great systems and you should select depending on your necessity and your budget.
Shiv


At 02:40 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
Hi Page,
 
We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy with it.  The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica  was rather efficient in fixing them.  The software was never Leica's strong side, and the new LAS AF is no exception, but you learn to live with it; the 1.8.2 version is definitely an improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful STN ratio, and the objectives are very good as well (the system shows practically no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know the 710. 
Hope this helps!
 
Zoltan

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch <[hidden email]> wrote:
Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2 systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear from others about their experiences with other confocal systems and why they think one might be better than another. We recently saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it. Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
Page

--
Page Baluch, Ph.D.
W.M. Keck Bioimaging Lab Manager
Arizona State University/SoLS
PO Box 874501
Tempe, AZ 85287-4501




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Downing Street, Cambridge
CB2 3EJ UK

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University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Just a correction .........
Leica SP5X tunable white light laser system covers 470-670 nm only, not the
entire visible spectrum. Very stable, provide 1.5 mW per nm, need more
power... increase the bandwidth.
ammasi



On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:55:26 -0500
  Mayandi Sivaguru <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>
> Page, check out also the Leica spectral excitation and spectral emission
>confocal SP5 X. This has a single white laser with a single laser capable
>of tuning excitation wavelengths at the entire visible spectrum at 1nm
>resolution.
> In addition, remember the SP5 comes with a resonant scanner too. I have
>personally tested a SP5 system with STED with the samples I have prepared
>and very pleased with the results. That means if you have a SP5 with
>resonant scanner you can latter upgrade to superresolution technique (STED)
>which can yield around 90 nm resolutions in xy. THe AOBS based system is
>great as you loose less photons.
> But, the Zeiss 710 system's new grating design is worth to have a look. I
>personally feel that the Zeiss 710 is a system step cloaser to a spectral
>confocal such as an SP5. Zeiss has great flexibility in your laser
>selection and that will let you not burn your wallet upfront and you can
>add lasers latter as and when it is needed.
> No commercial interest on either vendors. I feel both should be great
>systems and you should select depending on your necessity and your budget.
> Shiv
>
>
> At 02:40 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote:
>>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>>http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>Hi Page,
>>
>>We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy with it.
>> The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica  was rather
>>efficient in fixing them.  The software was never Leica's strong side, and
>>the new LAS AF is no exception, but you learn to live with it; the 1.8.2
>>version is definitely an improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful
>>STN ratio, and the objectives are very good as well (the system shows
>>practically no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know
>>the 710.
>>Hope this helps!
>>
>>Zoltan
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch
>><<mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]> wrote:
>>Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>><http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal>http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal 
>>We are looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For the
>>past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2 systems and have
>>been quite satisfied with their performance. We are now leaning towards the
>>Leica SP5 but we would like to hear from others about their experiences
>>with other confocal systems and why they think one might be better than
>>another. We recently saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a
>>good system and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it.
>>Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
>>Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
>>Page
>>
>>--
>>Page Baluch, Ph.D.
>>W.M. Keck Bioimaging Lab Manager
>>Arizona State University/SoLS
>>PO Box 874501
>>Tempe, AZ 85287-4501
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>--
>>Zoltan Cseresnyes
>>Facility manager, Imaging Suite
>>Dept. of Zoology University of Cambridge
>>Downing Street, Cambridge
>>CB2 3EJ UK
>>
>>Tel.: (++44) (0)1223 769282
>>Fax.: (++44) (0)1223 336676
>
> Mayandi Sivaguru, PhD, PhD
> Microscopy Facility Manager
> 8, Institute for Genomic Biology
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> 1206 West Gregory Dr.
> Urbana, IL 61801 USA
>
> Office: 217.333.1214
>Fax: 217.244.2496
> [hidden email]
> http://core.igb.uiuc.edu
>

Ammasi Periasamy, Ph.D.
Director, Keck Center for Cellular Imaging (KCCI)
Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engineering
Biology, Gilmer Hall (064), McCormick Rd
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22904
Voice: 434-243-7602 (Office); 982-4869 (lab)
Fax:434-982-5210; Email:[hidden email]
http//:www.kcci.virginia.edu
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>


Do they offer the option of violet (or other) lasers in addition to  
the supercontinum laser? That would extend it beyond the 470-670 limits?

The brochure also mentions cooled PMTs - I wonder what real-world  
impact that will have?

Regards,

Adrian Smith
Centenary Institute, Sydney, Australia



>
> Just a correction .........
> Leica SP5X tunable white light laser system covers 470-670 nm only,  
> not the entire visible spectrum. Very stable, provide 1.5 mW per nm,  
> need more power... increase the bandwidth.
> ammasi
>
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:55:26 -0500
> Mayandi Sivaguru <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>> Page, check out also the Leica spectral excitation and spectral  
>> emission confocal SP5 X. This has a single white laser with a  
>> single laser capable of tuning excitation wavelengths at the entire  
>> visible spectrum at 1nm resolution.
>> In addition, remember the SP5 comes with a resonant scanner too. I  
>> have personally tested a SP5 system with STED with the samples I  
>> have prepared and very pleased with the results. That means if you  
>> have a SP5 with resonant scanner you can latter upgrade to  
>> superresolution technique (STED) which can yield around 90 nm  
>> resolutions in xy. THe AOBS based system is great as you loose less  
>> photons.
>> But, the Zeiss 710 system's new grating design is worth to have a  
>> look. I personally feel that the Zeiss 710 is a system step cloaser  
>> to a spectral confocal such as an SP5. Zeiss has great flexibility  
>> in your laser selection and that will let you not burn your wallet  
>> upfront and you can add lasers latter as and when it is needed.
>> No commercial interest on either vendors. I feel both should be  
>> great systems and you should select depending on your necessity and  
>> your budget.
>> Shiv
>> At 02:40 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote:
>>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>> Hi Page,
>>>
>>> We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy  
>>> with it. The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica  
>>> was rather efficient in fixing them.  The software was never  
>>> Leica's strong side, and the new LAS AF is no exception, but you  
>>> learn to live with it; the 1.8.2 version is definitely an  
>>> improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful STN ratio, and  
>>> the objectives are very good as well (the system shows practically  
>>> no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know the  
>>> 710.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Zoltan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch <<mailto:[hidden email]
>>> >[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at <http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal 
>>> >http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are  
>>> looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For  
>>> the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2  
>>> systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We  
>>> are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear  
>>> from others about their experiences with other confocal systems  
>>> and why they think one might be better than another. We recently  
>>> saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system  
>>> and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it.  
>>> Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
>>> Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
>>> Page
>>>
>>> --
>>> Page Baluch, Ph.D.
>>> W.M. Keck Bioimaging Lab Manager
>>> Arizona State University/SoLS
>>> PO Box 874501
>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-4501
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Zoltan Cseresnyes
>>> Facility manager, Imaging Suite
>>> Dept. of Zoology University of Cambridge
>>> Downing Street, Cambridge
>>> CB2 3EJ UK
>>>
>>> Tel.: (++44) (0)1223 769282
>>> Fax.: (++44) (0)1223 336676
>> Mayandi Sivaguru, PhD, PhD
>> Microscopy Facility Manager
>> 8, Institute for Genomic Biology
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>> 1206 West Gregory Dr.
>> Urbana, IL 61801 USA
>> Office: 217.333.1214
>> Fax: 217.244.2496
>> [hidden email]
>> http://core.igb.uiuc.edu
>
> Ammasi Periasamy, Ph.D.
> Director, Keck Center for Cellular Imaging (KCCI)
> Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engineering
> Biology, Gilmer Hall (064), McCormick Rd
> University of Virginia
> Charlottesville, VA 22904
> Voice: 434-243-7602 (Office); 982-4869 (lab)
> Fax:434-982-5210; Email:[hidden email]
> http//:www.kcci.virginia.edu
> ************************
> Workshop on FRET Microscopy, March 3-7, 2009
> http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop/workshop2009/index.php
> *************************
Michael Weber-4 Michael Weber-4
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Dear all,

afaik one can combine the white laser with the standard laser module.
Don't ask me about the details, but this offers possibilities if one needs
more power for bleaching, or additional wavelengths next to 470-670nm.

There are some fundamental differences between SP5 and LSM710:

-SP5: white laser, AOBS, STED

-LSM710: option for two scanners, simultaneous spectral detection

Yes, the SP5 detectors are water-cooled. The performance in terms of
signal-to-noise is really nice. But so far I have no comparison to LSM710
(Zeiss claims it's MUCH better than LSM510...).

Personally I found the SP5 to be more user-friendly compared to the LSM510
(straight forward layout and usage); whereas the Zeiss (LSM510) feels more
"scientific" (more values/details given, more complex hardware). Usage on
software-level should be now easier with the Zeiss ZEN software,
unfortunately the first version introduced some instabilities.

Both systems offer fast scanners, which might be interesting for fixed
samples as well (more time-efficient imaging of big/thick samples). Both
systems have single pinholes, so colocalization in the visible range
should not be that tricky. I am still not sure about the laser coupling of
LSM710 - this is now done in the scanhead after the fiber, so how do they
deal with the alignment over multiple wavelengths?

The implementation of the Hamamatsu detector in the old Meta was not
perfect (low sensitivity and signal-to-noise), however, with bright
samples still the second-fastest solution after Nikon. One needs to test
if the new version in the LSM710 does perform better. The beam-path looks
promising.

Michael


> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>
>>
>
>
> Do they offer the option of violet (or other) lasers in addition to
> the supercontinum laser? That would extend it beyond the 470-670 limits?
>
> The brochure also mentions cooled PMTs - I wonder what real-world
> impact that will have?
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrian Smith
> Centenary Institute, Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>>
>> Just a correction .........
>> Leica SP5X tunable white light laser system covers 470-670 nm only,
>> not the entire visible spectrum. Very stable, provide 1.5 mW per nm,
>> need more power... increase the bandwidth.
>> ammasi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:55:26 -0500
>> Mayandi Sivaguru <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>>> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>> Page, check out also the Leica spectral excitation and spectral
>>> emission confocal SP5 X. This has a single white laser with a
>>> single laser capable of tuning excitation wavelengths at the entire
>>> visible spectrum at 1nm resolution.
>>> In addition, remember the SP5 comes with a resonant scanner too. I
>>> have personally tested a SP5 system with STED with the samples I
>>> have prepared and very pleased with the results. That means if you
>>> have a SP5 with resonant scanner you can latter upgrade to
>>> superresolution technique (STED) which can yield around 90 nm
>>> resolutions in xy. THe AOBS based system is great as you loose less
>>> photons.
>>> But, the Zeiss 710 system's new grating design is worth to have a
>>> look. I personally feel that the Zeiss 710 is a system step cloaser
>>> to a spectral confocal such as an SP5. Zeiss has great flexibility
>>> in your laser selection and that will let you not burn your wallet
>>> upfront and you can add lasers latter as and when it is needed.
>>> No commercial interest on either vendors. I feel both should be
>>> great systems and you should select depending on your necessity and
>>> your budget.
>>> Shiv
>>> At 02:40 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>>>> http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>>> Hi Page,
>>>>
>>>> We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy
>>>> with it. The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica
>>>> was rather efficient in fixing them.  The software was never
>>>> Leica's strong side, and the new LAS AF is no exception, but you
>>>> learn to live with it; the 1.8.2 version is definitely an
>>>> improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful STN ratio, and
>>>> the objectives are very good as well (the system shows practically
>>>> no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know the
>>>> 710.
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>> Zoltan
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch
>>>> <<mailto:[hidden email]
>>>> >[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Search the CONFOCAL archive at
>>>> <http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal
>>>> >http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are
>>>> looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For
>>>> the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2
>>>> systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We
>>>> are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear
>>>> from others about their experiences with other confocal systems
>>>> and why they think one might be better than another. We recently
>>>> saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system
>>>> and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it.
>>>> Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
>>>> Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
>>>> Page
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Page Baluch, Ph.D.
>>>> W.M. Keck Bioimaging Lab Manager
>>>> Arizona State University/SoLS
>>>> PO Box 874501
>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-4501
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Zoltan Cseresnyes
>>>> Facility manager, Imaging Suite
>>>> Dept. of Zoology University of Cambridge
>>>> Downing Street, Cambridge
>>>> CB2 3EJ UK
>>>>
>>>> Tel.: (++44) (0)1223 769282
>>>> Fax.: (++44) (0)1223 336676
>>> Mayandi Sivaguru, PhD, PhD
>>> Microscopy Facility Manager
>>> 8, Institute for Genomic Biology
>>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>> 1206 West Gregory Dr.
>>> Urbana, IL 61801 USA
>>> Office: 217.333.1214
>>> Fax: 217.244.2496
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://core.igb.uiuc.edu
>>
>> Ammasi Periasamy, Ph.D.
>> Director, Keck Center for Cellular Imaging (KCCI)
>> Professor of Biology and Biomedical Engineering
>> Biology, Gilmer Hall (064), McCormick Rd
>> University of Virginia
>> Charlottesville, VA 22904
>> Voice: 434-243-7602 (Office); 982-4869 (lab)
>> Fax:434-982-5210; Email:[hidden email]
>> http//:www.kcci.virginia.edu
>> ************************
>> Workshop on FRET Microscopy, March 3-7, 2009
>> http://www.kcci.virginia.edu/workshop/workshop2009/index.php
>> *************************
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On 01/04/2008, at 7:19 PM, Michael Weber wrote:

> Yes, the SP5 detectors are water-cooled. The performance in terms of
> signal-to-noise is really nice


Is that true of the "standard" SP5 or is that something new with the  
SP5 X? I don't recall seeing anything in the SP5 literature about  
water cooling (or cooling or any sort) but I might have missed it? Is  
anyone else using cooled PMTs?

Also I noticed the SP5 X brochure that Leica is claiming "best red  
emission detection available" - does anyone know what is behind this  
claim, ie have they done something new with the SP5 X or would they  
also make that claim of the "standard" SP5?

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Adrian,

every SP5 has water-cooled detectors. Part of the scan-head electronics
(detector read-out?) also gets cooled. I don't know why Leica doesn't
put this on the feature list. I am sure they have a patent, so they
shouldn't be afraid ;). Maybe they think that it's not important for the
ordinary customer?

To my understanding there are no new technical developments in the X
except the implementation of the superk laser. I cannot say anything
about the far-red performance, expect that it's good. But no
quantitative results so far. Leica people are on this list too, so maybe
they can comment on that?

Michael


Adrian Smith wrote:

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> On 01/04/2008, at 7:19 PM, Michael Weber wrote:
>
>> Yes, the SP5 detectors are water-cooled. The performance in terms of
>> signal-to-noise is really nice
>
>
> Is that true of the "standard" SP5 or is that something new with the SP5
> X? I don't recall seeing anything in the SP5 literature about water
> cooling (or cooling or any sort) but I might have missed it? Is anyone
> else using cooled PMTs?
>
> Also I noticed the SP5 X brochure that Leica is claiming "best red
> emission detection available" - does anyone know what is behind this
> claim, ie have they done something new with the SP5 X or would they also
> make that claim of the "standard" SP5?
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrian Smith
> Centenary Institute, Sydney, Australia
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Hi,

The SP5 has water cooled pmts but I think is room temp. Actually I'm
also thinking on making a cooling system for the new external PMTs that
we will attach to a biorad1024. It will be active cooling with Peltier
elements. I expect this would decrease dark current which will enable to
push a bit the electronic gain. Biggest problem is condensation...

Did anyone make something similar?

Regards,
NM


Adrian Smith wrote:

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> On 01/04/2008, at 7:19 PM, Michael Weber wrote:
>
>> Yes, the SP5 detectors are water-cooled. The performance in terms of
>> signal-to-noise is really nice
>
>
> Is that true of the "standard" SP5 or is that something new with the SP5
> X? I don't recall seeing anything in the SP5 literature about water
> cooling (or cooling or any sort) but I might have missed it? Is anyone
> else using cooled PMTs?
>
> Also I noticed the SP5 X brochure that Leica is claiming "best red
> emission detection available" - does anyone know what is behind this
> claim, ie have they done something new with the SP5 X or would they also
> make that claim of the "standard" SP5?
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrian Smith
> Centenary Institute, Sydney, Australia
>

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All,
 
just to confirm that the White Light Laser in the Leica TCS SP5X can be combined with e.g. an Argon Laser for high-power photobleaching experiments - this is done by an AOBM (Acousto-Optical Beam Merger) Module,  which is part of the White Light Laser Module.

Combination with 405 nm/365nm excitation is possible as well.
 
The Leica TCS SP5 X can handle up to 8 freely definable simultaneous excitation wavelengths and intensities for optimally matching the excitation requirements of virtually any dye.
 
The Leica TCS SP5 Electronics and Detectors are cooled by a closed-loop cooling system for optimised Signal-to-Noise ratio. 

Equipped with resonant scanner, the system also offers high speed true confocal imaging @ up to 16000 lines per second. 
 
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In a message dated 01.04.2008 10:19:48 Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit, [hidden email] writes:
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Dear all,

afaik one can combine the white laser with the standard laser module.
Don't ask me about the details, but this offers possibilities if one needs
more power for bleaching, or additional wavelengths next to 470-670nm.

There are some fundamental differences between SP5 and LSM710:

-SP5: white laser, AOBS, STED

-LSM710: option for two scanners, simultaneous spectral detection

Yes, the SP5 detectors are water-cooled. The performance in terms of
signal-to-noise is really nice. But so far I have no comparison to LSM710
(Zeiss claims it's MUCH better than LSM510...).

Personally I found the SP5 to be more user-friendly compared to the LSM510
(straight forward layout and usage); whereas the Zeiss (LSM510) feels more
"scientific" (more values/details given, more complex hardware). Usage on
software-level should be now easier with the Zeiss ZEN software,
unfortunately the first version introduced some instabilities.

Both systems offer fast scanners, which might be interesting for fixed
samples as well (more time-efficient imaging of big/thick samples). Both
systems have single pinholes, so colocalization in the visible range
should not be that tricky. I am still not sure about the laser coupling of
LSM710 - this is now done in the scanhead after the fiber, so how do they
deal with the alignment over multiple wavelengths?

The implementation of the Hamamatsu detector in the old Meta was not
perfect (low sensitivity and signal-to-noise), however, with bright
samples still the second-fastest solution after Nikon. One needs to test
if the new version in the LSM710 does perform better. The beam-path looks
promising.

Michael


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>
>
> Do they offer the option of violet (or other) lasers in addition to
> the supercontinum laser? That would extend it beyond the 470-670 limits?
>
> The brochure also mentions cooled PMTs - I wonder what real-world
> impact that will have?
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrian Smith
> Centenary Institute, Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>>
>> Just a correction .........
>> Leica SP5X tunable white light laser system covers 470-670 nm only,
>> not the entire visible spectrum. Very stable, provide 1.5 mW per nm,
>> need more power... increase the bandwidth.
>> ammasi
>>
>>
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>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:55:26 -0500
>> Mayandi Sivaguru <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> Page, check out also the Leica spectral excitation and spectral
>>> emission confocal SP5 X. This has a single white laser with a
>>> single laser capable of tuning excitation wavelengths at the entire
>>> visible spectrum at 1nm resolution.
>>> In addition, remember the SP5 comes with a resonant scanner too. I
>>> have personally tested a SP5 system with STED with the samples I
>>> have prepared and very pleased with the results. That means if you
>>> have a SP5 with resonant scanner you can latter upgrade to
>>> superresolution technique (STED) which can yield around 90 nm
>>> resolutions in xy. THe AOBS based system is great as you loose less
>>> photons.
>>> But, the Zeiss 710 system's new grating design is worth to have a
>>> look. I personally feel that the Zeiss 710 is a system step cloaser
>>> to a spectral confocal such as an SP5. Zeiss has great flexibility
>>> in your laser selection and that will let you not burn your wallet
>>> upfront and you can add lasers latter as and when it is needed.
>>> No commercial interest on either vendors. I feel both should be
>>> great systems and you should select depending on your necessity and
>>> your budget.
>>> Shiv
>>> At 02:40 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote:
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>>>> Hi Page,
>>>>
>>>> We had a new SP5 installed mid-August 2007 and we have been happy
>>>> with it. The system had the usual teething problems, but Leica
>>>> was rather efficient in fixing them.  The software was never
>>>> Leica's strong side, and the new LAS AF is no exception, but you
>>>> learn to live with it; the 1.8.2 version is definitely an
>>>> improvement.  The PMTs are great with a wonderful STN ratio, and
>>>> the objectives are very good as well (the system shows practically
>>>> no lateral or axial chromatic aberration, e.g.). I don't know the
>>>> 710.
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>> Zoltan
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:28 PM, D. Page Baluch
>>>> <<mailto:[hidden email]
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>>>> >http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=confocal We are
>>>> looking to upgrade our facility with a new confocal system. For
>>>> the past 10 years we have used both the Leica TCSNT and SP2
>>>> systems and have been quite satisfied with their performance. We
>>>> are now leaning towards the Leica SP5 but we would like to hear
>>>> from others about their experiences with other confocal systems
>>>> and why they think one might be better than another. We recently
>>>> saw a demo of the Zeiss LSM 710 which appears to be a good system
>>>> and know of some researchers who have used the 510 and love it.
>>>> Most of our users have fixed samples and use an upright microscope.
>>>> Thanks for your suggestions and advice,
>>>> Page
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