Talley Lambert |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Hi all, I've been working on a microscope calculator web-app. At the risk of presenting something well below the expertise level of the average reader here, I'd like to share it with you! At the very least, I'm hoping it might be of educational use for students of microscopy if not also of practical use for microscope users. It is primarily designed as a widefield/spinning disk calculator and should be useful in assessing sampling rate and/or confocality in a variety of optical setups. The calculator takes a variety of inputs related to your optical setup, and pumps out values for things like lateral resolution, axial resolution, sampling rate, field of view, amount of camera chip used, etc It includes the ability to calculate Airy Units and confocality with adjustable pinhole systems such as the Yokogawa W1, or the Borealis mod from Spectral. It has chip parameters for many of the more popular cameras so you can quickly determine the appropriate settings (with binning or optical relays) to achieve Nyquist sampling with your given camera. There is also a graphical representation of a diffraction limited point source for quick visualization of the current settings. The calculator is designed to be easily viewed on a desktop browser (though support for Internet Explorer 8 or earlier is weak) or as an app on a mobile device such as an iPhone or iPad. You can also save configurations for later recall (which might be useful in a core setting with a number of fixed configurations). Here is the link: http://iscopecalc.com If you like it, please use it and share it! I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and ideas for improvement or complaints about bugs or inaccuracies! Feel free to contact me directly. Thanks! -Talley ~~~~~~~~~~~ Talley Lambert, PhD Dept. VCAPP Washington State University tlambert [at] vetmed.wsu.edu |
Arne Seitz |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** "I'm hoping it might be of educational use for students of microscopy. if not also of practical use for microscope users." In order to be of educational use it would be desirable if basic physical principals of optics would have been taken into account. Your tool allows to calculate the resolution for air objectives with a NA of 1.5. Also glycerol und water objectives with that NA are tolerated. The unit of your sampling rate is pixel. But these are only minor details. My main criticism: which model did you use to calculate all these fancy numbers? You just present a black-box which is spitting out numbers. This is to my understanding neither of educational nor of scientific use. It is maybe a nice toy but nothing which helps to advance the understanding of microscopy. This is not meant to be personally against you. Probably you are a very talented programmer for web-apps. But I doubt that you have been ever involved in teaching of how to use a microscope properly. Or am I just a little bit too old-fashioned.... Best regards Arne --------------------------------------------------------------- Arne Seitz Head of Bioimaging and Optics Platform (BIOP) Swiss Institute of Technology (EPFL) Faculty of Life Sciences Station 15 CH-1015 Lausanne Phone: +41 21 693 9618 Fax: +41 21 693 9585 http://biop.epfl.ch/ --------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Talley Lambert Sent: jeudi 21 février 2013 20:50 To: [hidden email] Subject: online microscope calculator (iScopeCalc) ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Hi all, I've been working on a microscope calculator web-app. At the risk of presenting something well below the expertise level of the average reader here, I'd like to share it with you! At the very least, I'm hoping it might be of educational use for students of microscopy. if not also of practical use for microscope users. It is primarily designed as a widefield/spinning disk calculator and should be useful in assessing sampling rate and/or confocality in a variety of optical setups. The calculator takes a variety of inputs related to your optical setup, and pumps out values for things like lateral resolution, axial resolution, sampling rate, field of view, amount of camera chip used, etc. It includes the ability to calculate Airy Units and confocality with adjustable pinhole systems such as the Yokogawa W1, or the Borealis mod from Spectral. It has chip parameters for many of the more popular cameras so you can quickly determine the appropriate settings (with binning or optical relays) to achieve Nyquist sampling with your given camera. There is also a graphical representation of a diffraction limited point source for quick visualization of the current settings. The calculator is designed to be easily viewed on a desktop browser (though support for Internet Explorer 8 or earlier is weak) or as an app on a mobile device such as an iPhone or iPad. You can also save configurations for later recall (which might be useful in a core setting with a number of fixed configurations). Here is the link: http://iscopecalc.com If you like it, please use it and share it! I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and ideas for improvement or complaints about bugs or inaccuracies! Feel free to contact me directly. Thanks! -Talley ~~~~~~~~~~~ Talley Lambert, PhD Dept. VCAPP Washington State University tlambert [at] vetmed.wsu.edu |
Talley Lambert |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Arne, Thanks for your feedback! To answer your main criticism: if you click on menu at the top, you'll see a selection called "equations" and there can see all of the equations used to calculate those fancy numbers :) . . . I don't like black boxes either! yes, I admit, I haven't programmed in the appropriate constraints in the user interface for the NA limits of various mounting media, I'll do that! thanks for pointing that out. and I agree that "pixels" is not the appropriate unit for sampling rate... I have removed it. (in truth, the number represents the number of pixels packed into one Raxial) ... sorry to hear you see it as just a toy! I do really care about microscopy, I am involved in teaching microscopy, and I'm not really a programmer at all (this is my first go...). It's still a work in progress so I hope I haven't insulted you with my first attempt! If at all possible, I'd love to make it somewhat useful. so do keep the suggestions coming... cheers, -Talley |
Arne Seitz |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Talley, I don't want to insult you either. And maybe my criticism was a little bit too harsh. My very personal opinion is the following: such calculators are a toy because they are of limited practical use. Whenever I'm asked what about the resolution of a wide-field microscope, I answer: laterally: half of the emission wavelength divided through the NA of the objective; for confocal microscopes the axial resolution is 3-4 times bigger than the lateral resolution. This is something which you can easily remember. And you do not need any tools to calculate it. Just basic math. And once you know this relationship you have learned something. I know that my numbers are not totally correct. But in practice this is completely irrelevant. At least in 95% of the cases. And if you need to have more precise numbers you should also make sure that the model you are using is valid. And then everything is getting much more complicated anyway.... But as I already said: maybe I'm just old fashioned. Regards Arne -----Original Message----- From: Confocal Microscopy List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Talley Lambert Sent: jeudi 21 février 2013 23:47 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: online microscope calculator (iScopeCalc) ***** To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Arne, Thanks for your feedback! To answer your main criticism: if you click on menu at the top, you'll see a selection called "equations" and there can see all of the equations used to calculate those fancy numbers :) . . . I don't like black boxes either! yes, I admit, I haven't programmed in the appropriate constraints in the user interface for the NA limits of various mounting media, I'll do that! thanks for pointing that out. and I agree that "pixels" is not the appropriate unit for sampling rate... I have removed it. (in truth, the number represents the number of pixels packed into one Raxial) ... sorry to hear you see it as just a toy! I do really care about microscopy, I am involved in teaching microscopy, and I'm not really a programmer at all (this is my first go...). It's still a work in progress so I hope I haven't insulted you with my first attempt! If at all possible, I'd love to make it somewhat useful. so do keep the suggestions coming... cheers, -Talley |
Gabriel Lapointe-4 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Hi Arne, Seems like a tool full of potential. Unfortunately it has a very limited use since it can't be customized to other scope or dies. The posibility to had specific numerical value would greatly increase it's possibility.. *Gabriel Lapointe, M.Sc.* Lab Manager / Microscopy Specialist Concordia University, Biology Department 7141 Sherbrooke St. West SP 534 Montréal QC H4B 1R6 Canada Lab : (514) 848-2424 x5988 Office : (514) 848-2424 x3008 Fax : (514) 848-2881 Cell : (514) 278-0247 [hidden email] cmac.concordia.ca http://gabriellapointe.ca 2013/2/21 Talley Lambert <[hidden email]> > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > ***** > > Arne, > > Thanks for your feedback! > To answer your main criticism: if you click on menu at the top, you'll see > a > selection called "equations" and there can see all of the equations used to > calculate those fancy numbers :) . . . I don't like black boxes either! > > yes, I admit, I haven't programmed in the appropriate constraints in the > user > interface for the NA limits of various mounting media, I'll do that! > thanks for > pointing that out. and I agree that "pixels" is not the appropriate unit > for > sampling rate... I have removed it. (in truth, the number represents the > number > of pixels packed into one Raxial) ... > > sorry to hear you see it as just a toy! I do really care about > microscopy, I am > involved in teaching microscopy, and I'm not really a programmer at all > (this is > my first go...). It's still a work in progress so I hope I haven't > insulted you with > my first attempt! If at all possible, I'd love to make it somewhat > useful. so do > keep the suggestions coming... > > cheers, > -Talley > |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Hi Gabriel, Thanks for the response. There are definitely some inherent limitations in there. I guess I'm trying to find a balance between ease of use and functionality. I could easily open up some of the controls to make them fully user-editable, (more like the NA slider for example). Which inputs would you most like to have more control over? I'm thinking a direct input for the emission wavelength (rather than a drop down menu) is the first thing to add... what else would you like to see? thanks again for having a look! -Talley |
George McNamara |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Hi Talley, Top right quadrant (with pukey green background) - and "show details" section - has a hideously ugly 1980s computer font. The equations page also has font/text sizes - especially subscripts - that are unreadable. The green blob in the pixels field does not do much for me. You have a lot of 'drak gray space' underneath the "show graphic" - would be much more useful to show an intensity profile. Even better: TWO intensity profiles, one for XY, one for XZ (plenty of drak gray space at lower left for XZ). You don't explain to the user - anywhere - what the green blob represents. Your "show details" for default settings for widefield has "Depth of field" values - that change depending on camera! To me, the "standard of care" in biomedical fluorescence microscopy is missing: pinhole 1 Airy unit confocal laser scanning microscope. This could be generic. George p.s. EGFP ex/em 488/509 nm ... implies ~1 nm emission band. While this is doable on the www.lightforminc.com PARISS (along with a whole lot of other wavelengths), ~1 nm is not realistic on the microscopes you are modeling. I suggest you think about the consequences of using real emission bandpasses on emission spectra, and the consquences for the resolution equations that include emission wavelengths. On 2/21/2013 5:47 PM, Talley Lambert wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > ***** > > Arne, > > Thanks for your feedback! > To answer your main criticism: if you click on menu at the top, you'll see a > selection called "equations" and there can see all of the equations used to > calculate those fancy numbers :) . . . I don't like black boxes either! > > yes, I admit, I haven't programmed in the appropriate constraints in the user > interface for the NA limits of various mounting media, I'll do that! thanks for > pointing that out. and I agree that "pixels" is not the appropriate unit for > sampling rate... I have removed it. (in truth, the number represents the number > of pixels packed into one Raxial) ... > > sorry to hear you see it as just a toy! I do really care about microscopy, I am > involved in teaching microscopy, and I'm not really a programmer at all (this is > my first go...). It's still a work in progress so I hope I haven't insulted you with > my first attempt! If at all possible, I'd love to make it somewhat useful. so do > keep the suggestions coming... > > cheers, > -Talley > > |
Steffen Dietzel |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Talley, my main criticism is that it is not working. I use Firefox 18, for saftey reasons with NoScript and Flashblocker. Clearly I have to allow scripts from iscopecalc.com but why is it required to allow scripts from three more web sites including google-analytics? I don't like that. Even if I allow them all and allow Flash "for this Website" it still doesn't work. For cases like that I have an "open" Win Explorer and there it seems to be fine. Other than that, since I don't have a spinning disk but a point scanner, It would be nice to be able to freely define pixel/voxel size and pinhole size. Cheers Steffen On 21.02.2013 20:49, Talley Lambert wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > ***** > > Hi all, > > I've been working on a microscope calculator web-app. At the risk of presenting something well below > the expertise level of the average reader here, I'd like to share it with you! At the very least, I'm > hoping it might be of educational use for students of microscopy… if not also of practical use for > microscope users. > > It is primarily designed as a widefield/spinning disk calculator and should be useful in assessing > sampling rate and/or confocality in a variety of optical setups. The calculator takes a variety of inputs > related to your optical setup, and pumps out values for things like lateral resolution, axial resolution, > sampling rate, field of view, amount of camera chip used, etc… It includes the ability to calculate Airy > Units and confocality with adjustable pinhole systems such as the Yokogawa W1, or the Borealis mod > from Spectral. It has chip parameters for many of the more popular cameras so you can quickly > determine the appropriate settings (with binning or optical relays) to achieve Nyquist sampling with your > given camera. There is also a graphical representation of a diffraction limited point source for quick > visualization of the current settings. > > The calculator is designed to be easily viewed on a desktop browser (though support for Internet > Explorer 8 or earlier is weak) or as an app on a mobile device such as an iPhone or iPad. You can also > save configurations for later recall (which might be useful in a core setting with a number of fixed > configurations). > > Here is the link: > > http://iscopecalc.com > > If you like it, please use it and share it! I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and ideas for improvement > or complaints about bugs or inaccuracies! Feel free to contact me directly. > > Thanks! > -Talley > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Talley Lambert, PhD > Dept. VCAPP > Washington State University > tlambert [at] vetmed.wsu.edu > -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex) Head of light microscopy Mail room: Marchioninistr. 15, D-81377 München Building location: Marchioninistr. 27, München-Großhadern |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy ***** Hi Steffen, Yeah, the whole app is a javascript app, so, as you have found, disabling javascript will completely break the app. Sorry, I wouldn't be able to do it as a web-app without using javascript (and I don't know much about making native apps, java applets, or flash-based apps). But I totally understand the desire for security, so here's all the scripts and what they do (flash is not required by the way): Required: iscopecalc.com/js/calc.js this is the main script file that I wrote that runs the calculator and controls all of the interactions and calculations. http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1/jquery.js this is the jQuery javascript library (being served from a google content delivery network), used on about half of the websites on the internet, including google, amazon, etc.... it is basically just a way for me to more easily interact with the HTML document. you can learn more at http://jquery.com http://code.jquery.com/mobile/1.3.0/jquery.mobile-1.3.0.min.js this is the jQuery mobile library. it is required for forming the interface of the calculator and is also required. you can learn more at http://jquerymobile.com Optional: mathjax.org this script used to render the equations listed on the equations page. you can disable it but the equations will look like mumbo-jumbo... google-analytics.com basic usage statistics such as browser type and such are indeed sent to google analytics. however, this is totally optional and you can either block this with noscript, or, if you like you can use the URL www.iscopecalc.com/?analytics=off which will not send any information to google analytics. That said, using Firefox 19 with NoScript installed, I am able to successfully use the calculator with both mathjax and google analytics disabled (as long as jquery, jquerymobile, and iscopecalc are allowed). So, if you are still unable to use it with Firefox after enabling those three required scripts, please email me directly, as I'd like to figure out what the problem might be. With regards to laser scanning calculations... I'm not exactly sure what the purpose of the calculator would be if you had the freedom that a LSM provides and can set the pixel and pinhole size as you desire. Are there calculations that are not done automatically for you that you'd like to see included? If you can just set pinhole to 1 AU and chose an arbitrary pixel size appropriate for nyquist sampling... what is the need for a calculator? thanks for writing! -Talley On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:50:25 +0100, Steffen Dietzel <[hidden email]> wrote: >***** >To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: >http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy >***** > >Talley, > >my main criticism is that it is not working. I use Firefox 18, for >saftey reasons with NoScript and Flashblocker. > >Clearly I have to allow scripts from iscopecalc.com but why is it >required to allow scripts from three more web sites including >google-analytics? I don't like that. Even if I allow them all and allow >Flash "for this Website" it still doesn't work. For cases like that I >have an "open" Win Explorer and there it seems to be fine. >Other than that, since I don't have a spinning disk but a point scanner, >It would be nice to be able to freely define pixel/voxel size and >pinhole size. > >Cheers > >Steffen > > > >On 21.02.2013 20:49, Talley Lambert wrote: >> ***** >> To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: >> http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy >> ***** >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've been working on a microscope calculator web-app. At the risk of >> the expertise level of the average reader here, I'd like to share it with you! At the very least, I'm >> hoping it might be of educational use for students of microscopy if not also of practical use for >> microscope users. >> >> It is primarily designed as a widefield/spinning disk calculator and should be useful in assessing >> sampling rate and/or confocality in a variety of optical setups. The calculator takes a variety of inputs >> related to your optical setup, and pumps out values for things like lateral resolution, axial resolution, >> sampling rate, field of view, amount of camera chip used, etc It includes the ability to calculate Airy >> Units and confocality with adjustable pinhole systems such as the Yokogawa W1, or the Borealis mod >> from Spectral. It has chip parameters for many of the more popular cameras so you can quickly >> determine the appropriate settings (with binning or optical relays) to achieve Nyquist sampling with your >> given camera. There is also a graphical representation of a diffraction limited point source for quick >> visualization of the current settings. >> >> The calculator is designed to be easily viewed on a desktop browser (though support for Internet >> Explorer 8 or earlier is weak) or as an app on a mobile device such as an iPhone or iPad. You can also >> save configurations for later recall (which might be useful in a core setting with a number of fixed >> configurations). >> >> Here is the link: >> >> http://iscopecalc.com >> >> If you like it, please use it and share it! I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and ideas for improvement >> or complaints about bugs or inaccuracies! Feel free to contact me directly. >> >> Thanks! >> -Talley >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Talley Lambert, PhD >> Dept. VCAPP >> Washington State University >> tlambert [at] vetmed.wsu.edu >> > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat >Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München >Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex) >Head of light microscopy > >Mail room: >Marchioninistr. 15, D-81377 München > >Building location: >Marchioninistr. 27, München-Großhadern |
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