Jeremy Adler-4 |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Cells on coverslips tend to flatten during fixation. In LM the Z resolution is always poorer than in XY and shrinkage in Z exacerbates this mismatch. Does anyone have any suggestions for preventing or reducing shrinkage. |
JOEL B. SHEFFIELD |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Many years ago, I examined the effect of changing the osmolarity of my fixative on the size distribution of dissociated retinal cells. Although this work was done with glutaraldehyde fixatives for electron microscopy, it still seems to be valid. We found that for those cells, the optimal fixation was in 0.08M phosphate buffer, with 2.5% glutaraldehyde. The paper was published in Developmental Biology 23:36-61 (1970) Joel Joel B. Sheffield, Ph.D Department of Biology Temple University Philadelphia, PA 19122 Voice: 215 204 8839 e-mail: [hidden email] URL: *http://tinyurl.com/khbouft <http://tinyurl.com/khbouft>* On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Jeremy Adler <[hidden email]> wrote: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Cells on coverslips tend to flatten during fixation. > In LM the Z resolution is always poorer than in XY and shrinkage in Z > exacerbates this mismatch. > Does anyone have any suggestions for preventing or reducing shrinkage. > |
James Pawley |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** >***** >To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: >http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy >Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. >***** > >Cells on coverslips tend to flatten during fixation. >In LM the Z resolution is always poorer than in >XY and shrinkage in Z exacerbates this mismatch. >Does anyone have any suggestions for preventing or reducing shrinkage. Dear Jeremy, I have never liked to use the word "fixation" in this way. It implies that it stops changes when in fact it doesn't. It just stops the specimen from rotting right away. How about chemical treatment? It should perhaps not surprise us that, on encountering the fixative, living cells don't say to themselves "Oh, hurray, I'm going to be in a famous photo on the cover of Nature!". Instead they react in a variety of ways (blebbing, retraction etc.) in an attempt (one assumes) to avoid being killed. When the cells in question are only one cell-layer quick, diffusion is fast, the struggle doesn't last long and the rearrangements, if not always minor, are at least usually fairly obvious (blebs on white blood cells: they look like bubbles on the outside). In fact, you can (and should?) watch this process on the stage of a phase or DIC microscope. However, it is not uncommon for "fixation" to be followed by some sort of dehydration (into a graded series of ethanol or acetone and then perhaps into wax or a clear embedding liquid) and as the structural shape of both lipids and proteins is largely determined by their interaction with the surrounding water, it is this process that produces the greatest distortions (a minimum of 60% volume shrinkage in soft tissues such as embryos, according to the most careful studies by Alan Boyde at UCL, London.). When applied to cells attached to glass, the glass acts as sort of a "drying frame" (i.e., like those used to prevent the pelts of fur-bearing animals from shrinking as they dry), and by preventing the shrinkage in the x-y direction, increases that in the z direction. Fixation methods that start with a freezing step show some improvement as long as they occur fast enough to preclude the formation of ice crystals. Impacting the cells on a Cu block cooled with liquid He avoids ice crystals for the outer 10-15 µm; using a high-pressure freezer that pressurizes the specimen to about 2,000 atmospheres before applying the LN2, can extend this to over 100 µm. However, even going to these tedious (and expensive) lengths will prevent only some of the shrinkage attendant on replacing the ice with some non-polar solvent (freeze-substitution of the water by acetone containing OsO4). Which is why many folk replace the water with glycerol, which is as hydrophilic as water, although a bit lumpier. Chapter 18 in the handbook of Biological Confocal Microscopy (3rd edition) goes into some detail on the subject. Regards, Jim Pawley -- **************************************** James and Christine Pawley, 5446 Burley Place (PO Box 2348), Sechelt, BC, Canada, V0N3A0, Phone 604-885-0840, email <[hidden email]> NEW! NEW! AND DIFFERENT Cell (when I remember to turn it on!) 1-604-989-6146 |
Steffen Dietzel |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** Jeremy, independent of the fixation itself, you should also have an eye on your embedding medium. Hardening medium such as Mowiol or ProLong tends to flatten the cells quite a bit, compared to non-hardening such as Vectashield. Steffen Am 09.12.2014 11:52, schrieb Jeremy Adler: > ***** > To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy > Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. > ***** > > Cells on coverslips tend to flatten during fixation. > In LM the Z resolution is always poorer than in XY and shrinkage in Z exacerbates this mismatch. > Does anyone have any suggestions for preventing or reducing shrinkage. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Steffen Dietzel, PD Dr. rer. nat Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München Walter-Brendel-Zentrum für experimentelle Medizin (WBex) Head of light microscopy Mail room: Marchioninistr. 15, D-81377 München Building location: Marchioninistr. 27, München-Großhadern |
Mel Symeonides |
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To join, leave or search the confocal microscopy listserv, go to: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=confocalmicroscopy Post images on http://www.imgur.com and include the link in your posting. ***** One of my first experiments in graduate school was watching Drosophila S2 cells bleb after fixation with PBS/4% PFA for 10 min, I highly recommend it! From what I gather, the reason blebbing happens is the decoupling between the fixed cortical actin network and the unfixed (because it is mostly lipid) cell membrane (see doi:10.1016/j.fob.2014.02.003). At least in these cells, I observed it happening almost immediately after the fixative is washed off of the cells. During the fixation there were no morphological changes, but as soon as I washed it off and replaced it with PBS, the cells began to swell evenly, and after 15-20 min, large blebs formed with a simultaneous relief of the swelling. I have observed the same effect in pretty much every cell line I've used, including adherent and suspended cells. I have found that introducing a 10 min permeabilization step immediately after fixation, e.g. with 0.2% Triton X-100 or (even gentler) 40 ug/ml digitonin, serves to prevent bleb formation, and makes for much nicer-looking cells. I don't know whether there would still be loss of volume, though. Most people I went to for help with this issue thought I was crazy, but it turned out that they were all permeabilizing their cells for staining purposes anyway, while I was not permeabilizing because I was using cytoplasmic dyes and fluorescent protein tags exclusively, hence they never noticed any blebbing. Mel Symeonides On 12/9/2014 8:49 PM, James Pawley wrote: > >> >> Cells on coverslips tend to flatten during fixation. >> In LM the Z resolution is always poorer than in XY and shrinkage in Z >> exacerbates this mismatch. >> Does anyone have any suggestions for preventing or reducing shrinkage. > > Dear Jeremy, > > I have never liked to use the word "fixation" in this way. It implies > that it stops changes when in fact it doesn't. It just stops the > specimen from rotting right away. How about chemical treatment? > > It should perhaps not surprise us that, on encountering the fixative, > living cells don't say to themselves "Oh, hurray, I'm going to be in a > famous photo on the cover of Nature!". Instead they react in a variety > of ways (blebbing, retraction etc.) in an attempt (one assumes) to > avoid being killed. When the cells in question are only one cell-layer > quick, diffusion is fast, the struggle doesn't last long and the > rearrangements, if not always minor, are at least usually fairly > obvious (blebs on white blood cells: they look like bubbles on the > outside). In fact, you can (and should?) watch this process on the > stage of a phase or DIC microscope. > > However, it is not uncommon for "fixation" to be followed by some sort > of dehydration (into a graded series of ethanol or acetone and then > perhaps into wax or a clear embedding liquid) and as the structural > shape of both lipids and proteins is largely determined by their > interaction with the surrounding water, it is this process that > produces the greatest distortions (a minimum of 60% volume shrinkage > in soft tissues such as embryos, according to the most careful studies > by Alan Boyde at UCL, London.). When applied to cells attached to > glass, the glass acts as sort of a "drying frame" (i.e., like those > used to prevent the pelts of fur-bearing animals from shrinking as > they dry), and by preventing the shrinkage in the x-y direction, > increases that in the z direction. > > Fixation methods that start with a freezing step show some improvement > as long as they occur fast enough to preclude the formation of ice > crystals. Impacting the cells on a Cu block cooled with liquid He > avoids ice crystals for the outer 10-15 µm; using a high-pressure > freezer that pressurizes the specimen to about 2,000 atmospheres > before applying the LN2, can extend this to over 100 µm. However, even > going to these tedious (and expensive) lengths will prevent only some > of the shrinkage attendant on replacing the ice with some non-polar > solvent (freeze-substitution of the water by acetone containing OsO4). > > Which is why many folk replace the water with glycerol, which is as > hydrophilic as water, although a bit lumpier. > > Chapter 18 in the handbook of Biological Confocal Microscopy (3rd > edition) goes into some detail on the subject. > > Regards, > > Jim Pawley -- Menelaos Symeonides University of Vermont Cell & Molecular Biology Graduate Program Department of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics 318 Stafford Hall 95 Carrigan Dr Burlington, VT 05405 [hidden email] Phone: 802-656-1161 |
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